Jesus story isn't original

[ninerbuff]

Just look at Horus story, or even Heracles of mythology. Man-gods with fathers who were gods. Both suffered or were put to tests. Both died and were resurrected to be gods or be with their fathers. And all this was written before the bible. Great copy catting by the selected authors of the bible.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

:ignore:

 

[Politesse]

So, where is your evidence for these claims?

 

[ninerbuff]

Well according to the forum, I can't post links till I hit 15 or more posts. So I'll post them as soon as I pass 15!

 

[fallingblood]

Maybe you would want to post any sources. Books? Credible scholars? Anything. You can still copy and paste quotes from different books. Maybe just a name of a scholar would be nice.

Or maybe you would like to do some more research so we don't have to tell you how wrong you are. If anything though, you can find many similarities with Biblical figures of the Old Testament and Jesus, such as Moses.

 

[Atomist]

So, where is your evidence for these claims?

Let me google that for you
Let me google that for you

 

[Politesse]

Atomist, it's not that I need to look it up, it's that I know them better than he does. The Jesus/Horus connection was originally built from the theories of discredited Egyptologist Gerald Massey, who made much of his evidence up out of whole cloth. The rest has been an internet phenomenon, gradually adding more "facts" as it goes along. None of it in evidence in Classical Greece and Egypt, of course. There's reason one has to go to secularist websites to find "evidence" for the substitutions; the actual evidence does not exist.

 

[Atomist]

Atomist, it's not that I need to look it up, it's that I know them better than he does. The Jesus/Horus connection was originally built from the theories of discredited Egyptologist Gerald Massey, who made much of his evidence up out of whole cloth. The rest has been an internet phenomenon, gradually adding more "facts" as it goes along. None of it in evidence in Classical Greece and Egypt, of course. There's reason one has to go to secularist websites to find "evidence" for the substitutions; the actual evidence does not exist.

lol I was just messing around ... but yeah the similarities of a lot of other holy stories with each other.

 

[dogsgod]

Apparently there's a name for the type of hero we read of in the gospels:


Take the gospel Jesus story as a whole, whether earlier or later than the Jesus story of the Epistles; it is part and parcel of the Mythic Hero Archetype shared by cultures and religions worldwide and throughout history (Lord Raglan and then, later, Alan Dundes showed this in great detail.).The Quest of the Mythical Jesus - An Article by Robert M Price

 

[Breathe]

Oh no, not all this poorly understood and in some cases blatantly wrong stuff again.

:banghead3


Where have the Kemetics gone recently? This is more their forte than mine.

 

[Venatoris]

Just look at Horus story, or even Heracles of mythology. Man-gods with fathers who were gods. Both suffered or were put to tests. Both died and were resurrected to be gods or be with their fathers. And all this was written before the bible. Great copy catting by the selected authors of the bible.

Well, I see somebody watched religulous recently.

 

[logician]

We know, the Christian Jesus was a true original, all other gods were made-up wana-bes.

Same old story.

 

[Nerthus]

Just look at Horus story, or even Heracles of mythology. Man-gods with fathers who were gods. Both suffered or were put to tests. Both died and were resurrected to be gods or be with their fathers. And all this was written before the bible. Great copy catting by the selected authors of the bible.

Yes, there are similarities. But, then there are also similarities between Mohammed and Egyptian Pharaohs. So your point?

My guess is, my early life was pretty similar to someone else's - does that mean my parents copied them?!

Also, I just looked up on this again, and according to one source Jesus was beheaded.

 

[ninerbuff]

Just answer this question: If the birth of jesus was so significant, especially to the authors of the bible, then why is there no details of it from 2 disciples who wrote gospels? As a follower wouldn't this be important information to write about? Neither Mark nor John mention jesus "virgin" birth nor that he was born in Bethlehem.
Now it would be acceptable if it were just an author that just got it through hearsay, however these were disciples with one being eyewitness to jesus life!

 

[fallingblood]

Just answer this question: If the birth of jesus was so significant, especially to the authors of the bible, then why is there no details of it from 2 disciples who wrote gospels? As a follower wouldn't this be important information to write about? Neither Mark nor John mention jesus "virgin" birth nor that he was born in Bethlehem.
Now it would be acceptable if it were just an author that just got it through hearsay, however these were disciples with one being eyewitness to jesus life!

You need to do more research. This is where you are failing. None of the Gospels were written by disciples. Try again.

 

[ninerbuff]

You need to do more research. This is where you are failing. None of the Gospels were written by disciples. Try again.

Really?
The Four Gospels

[SIZE=+1]John[/SIZE] was one of the first twelve disciples of Jesus and therefore an eye-witness (John 19:35)
[SIZE=+1]Matthew[/SIZE] was one of the first twelve disciples of Jesus (Matthew 9:1; 10:1-4) and therefore an eye-witness

pwned

 

[dogsgod]

Really?
The Four Gospels

[SIZE=+1]John[/SIZE] was one of the first twelve disciples of Jesus and therefore an eye-witness (John 19:35)
[SIZE=+1]Matthew[/SIZE] was one of the first twelve disciples of Jesus (Matthew 9:1; 10:1-4) and therefore an eye-witness

Those names were assigned later in an attempt to give the stories credibility. The actual authors are unknown. There are no known eyewitnesses to a Jesus of Nazareth. Another interesting point in regards to the birth stories is that the details of the two birth stories are completely different.

 

[ninerbuff]

Those names were assigned later in an attempt to give the stories credibility. The actual authors are unknown. There are no known eyewitnesses to a Jesus of Nazareth. Another interesting point in regards to the birth stories is that the details of the two birth stories are completely different.

I know that. I'm debating on why believe it if if there is no credibility? According to those that believe in the bible, it is the truth and proof of christianity being real.

 

[dogsgod]

I know that. I'm debating on why believe it if if there is no credibility? According to those that believe in the bible, it is the truth and proof of christianity being real.

Believers believe for a number of reasons, it's a matter of psychology. Christianity is only real in that it exists, for better or for worse, regardless of the questionable validity of the story.

 

[ninerbuff]

Maybe you would want to post any sources. Books? Credible scholars? Anything. You can still copy and paste quotes from different books. Maybe just a name of a scholar would be nice.

Or maybe you would like to do some more research so we don't have to tell you how wrong you are. If anything though, you can find many similarities with Biblical figures of the Old Testament and Jesus, such as Moses.

Hercules Predates Jesus. The story of Hercules predates that of Jesus by perhaps a thousand years or more. When Homer writes his two epics, The Iliad and The Odyssey, about 750 BCE, Hercules is already famous and appears in both stories. The story of Hercules occurs early enough in ancient history that several constellations in the night sky are named after either Hercules or some of the beasts that he killed. By the time of Jesus in the first century, the glory days of Hercules was over, although he was still popular. The early days of Jesus was the time of the mystery religions, which Christianity was one, and Hercules could not compete with them for followers.