Jesus thought polygamy is OK!

[Muffled]

You don't live? Interesting. That explains a lot!

I believe by saving their lives, they lose them. We lost our lives to Christ and therfore saved them.

 

[jimb]

Yeah, you may believe that, but I don't. It sounds outrageously irrational to me to suggest that a sin that hasn't been committed, and thus has not been repented of, can be forgiven. But apparently it doesn't seem that way to you, which is okay.

Clearly you don't understand the fundamental truth of Christianity. God demands sacrifice as the penalty for sin. Under the Old Covenant, sheep and goats were sacrificed for each sin that people committed. However, they were effective for only that sin.

When Jesus was sacrificed, it was for all sin. After His sacrificial death, there was no longer any need for animals to be sacrificed for each sin committed. All sin means just that -- all sin, past, present, and future.

Hebrews 10: 4-10: For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. So when he came into the world, he said,

“Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me.
“Whole burnt offerings and sin-offerings you took no delight in.
“Then I said, ‘Here I am: I have come—it is written of me in the scroll of the book—to do your will, O God.’”

When he says above, “Sacrifices and offerings and whole burnt offerings and sin-offerings you did not desire nor did you take delight in them” (which are offered according to the law), then he says, “Here I am: I have come to do your will.” He does away with the first to establish the second. By his will we have been made holy through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all."

It's really not that hard to understand, is it?

P.S. REPENTANCE IS NOT REQUIRED FOR FORGIVENESS.

 

[jimb]

I believe it does not.

Read the above post #162.

 

[jimb]

I believe by saving their lives, they lose them. We lost our lives to Christ and therfore saved them.

Agreed!

 

[jimb]

I don't recall if I ever inquired into this claim, but I see no reason to do so now. Whether you are Jew or Gentile, you are clearly a Christian. I am not. Your New Testament instructs you how to live because you accept it as God's word. It doesn't tell me anything about how I should live, because I don't.

You don't live??? Interesting!

If you don't understand the Bible, may I suggest that you get some help?

 

[jimb]

Personally, I believe you should live your life the way you see fit and follow your conscience. I'm glad to see you dismissing all of the Christian preaching and proselytizing, despite the apparent denial that it's happening. I admire the way you stand up for your beliefs without succumbing to the proselytizing.

It is ridiculous that anyone should live her/his life the way s/he sees fit and follow her/his conscience. For example, Adolph Hitler, Josef Stalin, and others lived their lives the way that they saw fit. They followed their consciences. Do you really think that their behavior, including ordering mass murder, was okay?

 

[jimb]

The very fact that you openly acknowledge that Christians do sin, completely unravels your entire argument that at the moment you became a Christian you were forgiven of future sins, since you have not yet repented of these future sins.

=> REPENTANCE IS NOT REQUIRED FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS! THAT IS SALVATION BY "WORKS"! <=

Ephesians 2:4-10 (with my emphases added), "But God, being rich in mercy, because of his great love with which he loved us, even though we were dead in offenses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you are saved!—and he raised us up together with him and seated us together with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, to demonstrate in the coming ages the surpassing wealth of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so that no one can boast. For we are his creative work, having been created in Christ Jesus for good works that God prepared beforehand so we can do them."

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I believe every sin is repented both past present and future at the time one receives Jesus as Lord and Savior.

It is impossible to repent of future sins. Here are the elements of repentance:
1. Hurting for the person you have harmed and making things as right with them as you can. You cannot do that for any sin until after it has happened.
2. Resolving not to commit that sin again. You cannot do that if you don't know what sin it is.
3. Turning back to God's ways. Hopefully we are always following God's ways, but the phrase "Turning back" means that what we are talking about here is something that happens AFTER we turned away. IOW, you cannot "turn back" until you have first "turned away."
4. Genuine repentance requires humility and recognition of one's moral failings. To repent for something that has not yet occurred lacks authenticity and can come across as insincere, as it cannot involve a real confrontation with one's actions.

 

[jimb]

I believe every sin is repented both past present and future at the time one receives Jesus as Lord and Savior.

You are completely correct!

 

[jimb]

It is impossible to repent of future sins. Here are the elements of repentance:
1. Hurting for the person you have harmed and making things as right with them as you can. You cannot do that for any sin until after it has happened.
2. Resolving not to commit that sin again. You cannot do that if you don't know what sin it is.
3. Turning back to God's ways. Hopefully we are always following God's ways, but the phrase "Turning back" means that what we are talking about here is something that happens AFTER we turned away. IOW, you cannot "turn back" until you have first "turned away."
4. Genuine repentance requires humility and recognition of one's moral failings. To repent for something that has not yet occurred lacks authenticity and can come across as insincere, as it cannot involve a real confrontation with one's actions.

Why are you so fixated on repentance? All sins have been forgiven by Jesus Christ's sacrifice. There are no "works" required, including repentance. IMHO, that is a false teaching of the Catholic denomination.

Are you by any chance Catholic? They (you?) really believe in continuing repentance and confessing one's sins for forgiveness. That is putting one's self back under the law and negating Jesus' salvific work.

Here is what Paul wrote to the church at Ephesus about this: "But God, being rich in mercy, because of his great love with which he loved us, even though we were dead in offenses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you are saved!— and he raised us up together with him and seated us together with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, to demonstrate in the coming ages the surpassing wealth of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so that no one can boast." Ephesians 2:4-9

True repentance is the action of inner change in a person. It makes them feel sorry for what they have done, accompanied by the desire to change their behavior. It is not a requirement for forgiveness!