Jesus vs the New Testament

[Desert Snake]

1. Your post was confusing. I gave you several things that I asked you to clarify. It doesn't help that you simply ignored the request.

2. There is nothing vague about "Jew" if you know what Jew means.

Do you understand how these discussions or debates are supposed to work? Like writing broad statements that mean nothing, aren't contributing anything? Who said jesus wasn't a jew? Whats the reason for even writing that? Your losing credibility fast.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Got to say, you might not want to designate yourself as self pontificator of rabbinical judaism.

Hey, I'll be the first to say, two Jews, three opinions.

Any Jew in the forum who wants to knows they are free to chime in.

 

[sooda]

Got to say, you might not want to designate yourself as self pontificator of rabbinical judaism.

Rabbinic Judaism | Britannica.com
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Rabbinic-Judaism
Rabbinic Judaism, the normative form of Judaism that developed after the fall of the Temple of Jerusalem (ad 70).

Originating in the work of the Pharisaic rabbis, it was based on the legal and commentative literature in the Talmud, and it set up a mode of worship and a life discipline that were to be practiced by Jews worldwide down to modern times.

 

[Desert Snake]

Because "Jew" is not a religious designation. It's a tribal designation. You are only confused because you are stubbornly refusing to learn what "Jew" means.

your trolling is amusing sometimes.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Do you understand how these discussions or debates are supposed to work? Like writing broad statements that mean nothing, aren't contributing anything? Who said jesus wasn't a jew? Whats the reason for even writing that? Your losing credibility fast.

I have no problems having rational discussions with people on this forum. But occasionally I run into someone who is difficult to understand; could be for a number of different reasons, i.e. English is their second language, or their logic isn't all that great, or they simply use the language in a strange manner, you get the idea. I am having real difficulty with your posts. I am confident the problem is not me. I have nothing against you personally. I'm sure if we went out for coffee we'd get along famously.

 

[Desert Snake]

Rabbinic Judaism | Britannica.com
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Rabbinic-Judaism
Rabbinic Judaism, the normative form of Judaism that developed after the fall of the Temple of Jerusalem (ad 70).

Originating in the work of the Pharisaic rabbis, it was based on the legal and commentative literature in the Talmud, and it set up a mode of worship and a life discipline that were to be practiced by Jews worldwide down to modern times.

As opposed to Karaite Judaism.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Rabbinic Judaism | Britannica.com
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Rabbinic-Judaism
Rabbinic Judaism, the normative form of Judaism that developed after the fall of the Temple of Jerusalem (ad 70).

Originating in the work of the Pharisaic rabbis, it was based on the legal and commentative literature in the Talmud, and it set up a mode of worship and a life discipline that were to be practiced by Jews worldwide down to modern times.

Remember that the Talmud simply wrote down the Oral Torah which had existed for a long time. Certainly it existed in the Second Temple period. There were a few unresolved issues that were argued about between bet Hillel and bet Shammai, but for all practical purposes, the Oral Torah was already in place -- just not written down.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

As opposed to Karaite Judaism.

Karaite Judaism is a heresy.

 

[sooda]

Remember that the Talmud simply wrote down the Oral Torah which had existed for a long time. Certainly it existed in the Second Temple period.
There were a few unresolved issues that were argued about between bet Hillel and bet Shammai, but for all practical purposes, the Oral Torah was already in place -- just not written down.

There were two, right?

The Babylonian Talmud and the Jerusalem Talmud.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Im far more experienced on the forums. I know what im doing. Its techniques. You might learn.

Really? I've been in forums since back in the days before the internet when we had the Bulliten Boards.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

There were two, right?

The Babylonian Talmud and the Jerusalem Talmud.

Yes. We go by the Babylonian Talmud.

 

[Desert Snake]

Karaite Judaism is a heresy.

No it isn't. They're jews. Not vague...remember?

 

[sooda]

Yes. We go by the Babylonian Talmud.

The Babylonian Talmud is newer?

Jerusalem Talmud - Wikipedia

 

[Desert Snake]

It does not differ from Judaism. It's simply a form of Judaism that existed during the Second Temple era. Specifically, he was of the school of Hillel, and argued with those of the school of Shammai, which anyone familiar with the arguments in the Talmud would recognize.

Doesn't differ, though obviously does.

1. Your post was confusing. I gave you several things that I asked you to clarify. It doesn't help that you simply ignored the request.

2. There is nothing vague about "Jew" if you know what Jew means.

Nothing vague about jew

Because "Jew" is not a religious designation. It's a tribal designation. You are only confused because you are stubbornly refusing to learn what "Jew" means.

Tribal

Karaite Judaism is a heresy.

Heresy.

×+÷- = what...

 

[PruePhillip]

Paul was the founder of Christianity. Catholics aren't idol worshippers .. Mary is venerated as the mother of Christ. Why should that offend you?

“Queen of Heaven” (Jeremiah 7:18).

This title referred to Ishtar, an Assyrian and Babylonian goddess also called Ashtoreth and Astarte by various other groups.

She was thought to be the wife of the false god Baal, also known as Molech.

At some point Ashtoreth was considered a “consort” of Yahweh .. Some 4000 little clay icons representing Ashtoreth have been excavated in Israel.

Got into a debate on this topic with Kangaroofeathers. He or she lodged several complaints
about my "proselytizing" (which I wasn't) so I don't want to talk about Mary worship and idols.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

No it isn't. They're jews. Not vague...remember?

I didn't say they weren't Jews. "Jew" is a tribal designation. You can be an atheist and be a Jew. I said that Karaite Judaism was a heresy. Karaite Judaism is not a person, its a belief set, which is in opposition to Judaism.

 

[blü 2]

I'm told the gospel of John is written in impeccable Greek .. so different from John of Patmos. Were they both
"Christians"?

The whole of the NT is written in koine Greek; and the parts based on the Tanakh are in fact from the Septuagint, not the Hebrew version. I've read that the Greek of Mark is rough, suggesting it's a second language, but my Greek isn't sufficient for me to comment on that.

As for John's author being better educated and having a better style, that's not hard to believe, but I have no personal view of it.

John of Patmos is said to be the author of Revelation. He's not the author of the gospel of John.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

The whole of the NT is written in koine Greek; and the parts based on the Tanakh are in fact from the Septuagint, not the Hebrew version.

Right. For example, the correct Hebrew is that a maiden shall conceive, whereas the gospels quote the error of the Septuagint and say virgin.

 

[blü 2]

That was Catholic practice. It wasn't Christian.

A Christian is anyone who says they're a Christian, that is (if I recall aright) 'acknowledges Jesus as his or her savior'.

Christians are as good at crimes, large and small, one or many, as anyone else.

The bible makes it clear you have no right to force views upon
another. You cannot force another person to love God - trying to shows you don't love God enough to understand that yourself.

You can't have read the parts of the Tanakh where Yahweh authorizes the destruction of peoples and cities because they follow another god or gods. God is all for forced conversions if the bible's to be believed.

What? Seven authors not enough?

Five wholly distinct Jesuses and six versions of the resurrection each contradicting the other five in major ways? Forensically untenable.

 

[Desert Snake]

I didn't say they weren't Jews. "Jew" is a tribal designation. You can be an atheist and be a Jew. I said that Karaite Judaism was a heresy. Karaite Judaism is not a person, its a belief set, which is in opposition to Judaism.

It's still Judaism, according to your definition. So, you just believe it's a heresy, that's all.