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Jesus Wife Evidence
- Thread starter Trey of Diamonds
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outhouse
Atheistically
it can get deeper if you like
well the trinity says jesus and yahweh are one with a ghost
in that context jesus is married, to Asherah and yahweh is said to be married to Asherah, which evolved from the father "El" being married to Asherah before yahweh took on all of Els traits
So ya jesus was married before judaism divorced god wife when they switched from polytheism to monotheism after 622 BC
Muffled
Jesus in me
I think that in the year 4000 someone will find the religous Education Forums archives and find that someone said that Jesus has a wife. It will have just as much value as that piece of papyrus - none.
Muffled
Jesus in me
God isn't likley to join Himself to a partner as the Qu'ran aptly states.
outhouse
Atheistically
no-body
Well-Known Member
and maybe 2000 years after that enough people will agree that the religious education archives where written by true disciples of God and will use that as the basis of scripture even though historical records are spotty.
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
That's debatable. We don't know for sure.
outhouse
Atheistically
the only thing debateable is your refusal of common knowledge on this subject.
Asherah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
She is identified as the wife or consort of the Sumerian Anu or Ugaritic El, the oldest deities of their pantheons.
there is no debate what so ever that Asherah was the wife of El, none!
heres a tid bit for tumbleweed as well
Between the 10th century BCE and the beginning of their exile in 586 polytheism was normal throughout Israel
This places the Israels deity worship into context. And one is truely lost if he does not view the early Israelites deities as a family concept!!!!!! :yes:
families have mother and fathers, and sons and daughters. In this case the Israelites family was small, EL the father and Yahweh the son, as well as Baal the son, and Asherah who was consort to both El first and then later to Yahweh when he took on all Els traits.
we have a painting from the 800 BC range stating Yahweh and his Asherah
Kuntillet`Ajrud
Further evidence includes the many female figurines unearthed in ancient Israel, supporting the view that Asherah functioned as a goddess and consort of Yahweh and was worshiped as the Queen of Heaven.[11]
All this is a big to do about nothing. Jesus said nothing about the trinity but yet the concept is widely accepted among Christians. Having a wife would be different how?
i don't know the credibitly of this piece of paper , but if it's true .
it's becomes like an "UPDATE" to the christianity.
over than 2000 years the christians ignore that their prophet was married !!!
Trey of Diamonds
Well-Known Member
Yes, and some of us are even more entertained by the "to do" than about the "nothing" itself.
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
I will start a new thread.
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
Actually, it does nothing to Christianity. The piece is too late for it to be of any major concern here. Yes, it is an interesting find, and can tell us about later Christians, but as for the historical circumstance of Jesus, it does absolutely nothing.
Whether Jesus is married or not really is a moot question anyway, as his marriage status really changes nothing.
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
"Common knowledge" is usually better described as "common ignorance."
I don't know or care who's right here, but I do know that if you're going to argue for absolute historical certainty, you need much better sources than Wiki and appeals to popularity.
Come to think of it, how many people on the street ever even heard of Asherah?
outhouse
Atheistically
it doesnt make one bit of difference at all.
its just to bad the dogma of the church didnt let priest marry, instead of creating some slight few repressed men that are a danger to society.
maybe if they viewed god as married, this would have all gone down differently
outhouse
Atheistically
why?
Asherah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The majority of biblical scholars accept that Asherah at one time was worshiped as the consort of Yahweh, the national god of Israel
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
Actually, dogma wasn't the reason why priests couldn't marry. Actually, for quite some time, they were able to marry. The problem was that they were having families, that they would then pass on their belongings, including land and the like. This was causing a problem for the empire, as the Church was loosing quite a bit. So they stopped priests from marrying.
Also, not marrying isn't causing these men to be repressed. In fact, the number of pedophiles in the Catholic Church is roughly the same (statistically) as in any other denomination, or in society at large.
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
Because you haven't read what the majority of Biblical scholars have said (Wikipedia isn't an accurate source). And you have only ever cited Wikipedia, which does not give an accurate portrayal of the issue. Finally, it is better than bringing this discussion into this thread.
outhouse
Atheistically
its on topic. as we are dealing with gods wife, and jesus is viewed as god by billions of people.
First there is no debate about the polytheistic past of ancient Israelites who did worship and family of gods, and we know they worshipped Asherah.
Asherah was a major deity in almost every culture in the levant, she was worshipped "early on" more then yawheh or el combined just due to here widespread following.
isnt it a fact Asherah was Els wife?, the same El in the bible. So by that alone your done. But when we look at how El and yahweh were merged before they were compiled together by the monotheistic governement, its pretty dang obvious.
You cannot reasonably explain how after 1200 BC the multiple deities were worshipped by these displaced polytheistic Canaanites who turned into Israelites without doing some pretty serious mental gymnastics
try explaining it like this.
before 1200 BC, All of the deities of Israelites are in use by other cultures, before Israel is even a culture of its own. at this time there is barely a handful of people known of as I.si.ri.ar, a nomadic/semi nomadic people which are thought to be proto Israelites.
1200,BC displaces Canaanites slowly migrated to the highlands of Israel, bringing with them El, Yahweh, Baal and Asherah. At this time period Asherah was El's wife, and yahweh and baal were the sons of El the father figure.
Of these multiple deities, none is worshipped more then Asherah who has the largest following from multiple cultures, next is El which has a huge following but not worshipped by as many cultures as Asherah.
We also had widespread migration of polytheistic semetic speaking people who came from other areas of the levant including Mesopotamia and Egypt, all bringing there own version of these deities. We know the southern tribes and northern tribes placed different mythology for their primary deities
1000,BC polytheistic people who are slowly beginning to take on their own identity as israelites with their culture being a few hundred years old. We see their own unique writing develop, and legends from diferent tribes ae being recorded with collections beginning in the north and southern tribes. Nothing at this time period indicates that yahweh alone was a primary deity as a whole, nor had taken on Els attributes.
So in the formation of the Israelite culture, Asherah is a very important deity.
How the can you write her out of her place in history? when we know she was the consort of El and that early on El was the father deity, and Yahweh and Baal the sons ????????
explain that away
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