Jesus without baggage

[Deidre]

I don't think I'm getting what you're saying. Can you elaborate?

I don't think the Gospels are what the blogger had in mind when talking about "baggage" that weighs down or distracts Jesus' message. Jesus is/was supposed to be Love incarnate, and many people lose sight of that who profess to "follow" him.

Christians consumed with pointing at other Christians and non-believers as to who is going to hell, not abiding in certain rules, etc...is what is sadly consuming the Christian church, instead of love.

I think one of the main problems with the Bible is that many believers think that is where faith begins and ends and they grow to idolize the instructions of men instead of seeking (and seeking to emulate) the love of God.

 

[DavidFirth]

I don't think the Gospels are what the blogger had in mind when talking about "baggage" that weighs down or distracts Jesus' message. Jesus is/was supposed to be Love incarnate, and many people lose sight of that who profess to "follow" him.

Christians consumed with pointing at other Christians and non-believers as to who is going to hell, not abiding in certain rules, etc...is what is sadly consuming the Christian church, instead of love.

I think one of the main problems with the Bible is that many believers think that is where faith begins and ends and they grow to idolize the instructions of men instead of seeking (and seeking to emulate) the love of God.

The problem is that men/women read the Bible and the parts they prefer they put into practice. The Bible teaches love first and foremost in the first 2 commandments in both the OT and NT.

 

[Deidre]

The problem is that men/women read the Bible and the parts they prefer they put into practice. The Bible teaches love first and foremost in the first 2 commandments in both the OT and NT.

The entire Bible isn't meant for a Christian to put into practice, though.

 

[DavidFirth]

The entire Bible isn't meant for a Christian to put into practice, though.

How so?

 

[Deidre]

How so?

A Christian isn't bound by the OT...Jesus fulfilled those laws and he's the new covenant. You can eat pork, have tattoos, etc. Christians are not bound by those "laws."

 

[DavidFirth]

A Christian isn't bound by the OT...Jesus fulfilled those laws and he's the new covenant. You can eat pork, have tattoos, etc. Christians are not bound by those "laws."

Okay, Deidre, I just wanted to understand what you meant. I agree with you. Under the Old covenant a Gentile couldn't be the same as an Israelite, no matter what he did.

 

[Magus]

A Christian isn't bound by the OT...Jesus fulfilled those laws and he's the new covenant. You can eat pork, have tattoos, etc. Christians are not bound by those "laws."

Says who?

Matthew 5:16
Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets

Jesus criticises Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Mosaic Law.

Mark.7:9-13
Whoever curses father or mother shall die”

Matthew 15:4
For God said, 'Honor your father and mother' and 'Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.'

 

[DavidFirth]

Says who?

Matthew 5:16
Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets

Jesus criticises Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Mosaic Law.

Mark.7:9-13
Whoever curses father or mother shall die”

Matthew 15:4
For God said, 'Honor your father and mother' and 'Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.'

Magus, how many people did Jesus put to death?

 

[Magus]

Magus, how many people did Jesus put to death?

He didn't have the authority to do so. He was just a maggot in the Roman empire.

 

[DavidFirth]

He didn't have the authority to do so. He was just a maggot in the Roman empire.

I would laugh at that if it weren't so hideous and ignorant.

 

[Magus]

I would laugh at that if it weren't so hideous and ignorant.

Didn't he use his psychic powers to kill Judas after his crucifixion, how else did he explode.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Just as you seem unaware of the logical reasons and strong evidence that leads open-minded people to understand exactly the opposite.

I'm not unaware of those arguments. I've been sharing Jesus with rational, reasonable skeptics for years.

I see the love of Jesus as powerful, the evidences of Jesus compelling.

 

[DavidFirth]

Didn't he use his psychic powers to kill Judas after his crucifixion, how else did he explode.

Got anything else to add, oh wise one?

 

[Magus]

I'm not unaware of those arguments. I've been sharing Jesus with rational, reasonable skeptics for years.

I see the love of Jesus as powerful, the evidences of Jesus compelling.

Jesus doesn't exist, or he is dead , how can he love you beyond the grave, The Jesus Character depicted in the Bible was obviously not a lovable teddy bear character, since he invented the notion of Hell Fire and threatened people with everlasting hell fire torture. he is thus responsible for the existence of Islam.

 

[DavidFirth]

Jesus doesn't exist, or he is dead , how can he love you beyond the grave, The Jesus Character depicted in the Bible was obviously not a lovable teddy bear character, since he invented the notion of Hell Fire and threatened people with everlasting hell fire torture. he is thus responsible for the existence of Islam.

Yeah. In Islam everybody goes to heaven, gets 72 virgins and a bag of chips. We know.

 

[Jainarayan]

Says who?

Matthew 5:16
Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets

Acts 10

 

[Magus]

Acts 10

I am just paraphrasing what Jesus said, which are all in the Gospels not in the Book of Acts.

 

[Jainarayan]

I am just paraphrasing what Jesus said, which are all in the Gospels not in the Book of Acts.

But the Apostles, especially Peter, were given all authority:
Matthew 18:18 “Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

 

[Magus]

But the Apostles, especially Peter, were given all authority:
Matthew 18:18 “Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

Jesus gave authority to 'Paul - Peter' , who founded the 'Church' in Rome, therefore giving the Vatican authority, that simply indicates the Book of Acts and every letter written by Paul to be historical fiction, since it politically legitimatises the Church.

The Oldest Gospel is 'Mark' , everything added after that is added fiction, Just as the Birth story and the contradictory genealogies in Matthew and Luke.

They are two 'Jesus', The Philosopher ( Gospel of Thomas ) and the Jesus who begin his career in Galilee and was crucified (Story of Divus Iulius ) , so they were both overlain on top of each other.

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

But the Apostles, especially Peter, were given all authority:
Matthew 18:18 “Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

And there's that baggage again:

"Here, Look! Inside this book, it says that those that possess and use this book, proclaiming themselves to be followers of Jesus, have earthly and heavenly power, so you can't even question them, because, if you do you're among those who have turned away from Jesus and his path if you were really a follower you wouldn't doubt or ask pertinent questions! Follow Jesus by following his self-accredited Apostles who are using their self-authored and self-accredited story of Jesus and his followers in the Gospels and the NT! You know it's true because it says so, right there in the text! So if you question, if you doubt, it's either YOUR FAULT for not being open or intelligent enough, or it's the DEVIL'S FAULT because he was able to deceive you into doubting and asking questions...