Jesus Wrote the Old Testament

[Kemosloby]

Yahweh is one of the usual sonic renderings of the tetragrammaton, the god of the Jews, hence the god of Christians. Another such rendering is Jehovah.

And we have no evidence suggesting he existed till about 1500 BCE, when he's first found among the Canaanite gods, and is generally associated with a consort, Asherah.

Probably the whole invisible non materialistic nature of God would tend to not leave much archeological evidence. Much like naked Adam and Eve didn't leave much behind but footsteps. I pity you that you jump to your conclusions or jump on board with them as you do.

 

[12jtartar]

If there is any doubt that Jesus is the "Lord" of the old testament, and author of it who spoke through his prophets. Written over and over again "So they will know that I am the Lord", yet when Jesus came they did not know he was the Lord.

A couple lines of scripture showing that Jesus is the author.

Scripture- Psalm 82:6 "I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.'

My comment - This is a line from the Old Testament written by David a prophet of the Lord.

Scripture- John 10:34 Jesus replied, "Is it not written in your Law: 'I have said you are gods' ?

My comment - Here's is Jesus speaking in first person that He said in the Old Testament that you are gods.

Kemosloby,
Please allow me to make you aware of a couple of things!!
In the Hebrew Scriptures, called The Old Testament, many Bibles have followed the way of the King James Bible. They have almost removed that Personal, Proper Name Of God, which name God had recorded in His Book almost 7,000 Times. Every place you see LORD or GOD, in capital letters, the Original word for God’s Name was recorded, YHWH, which name in English, is Jehovah.
This is the LORD, and GOD of the Old Testament. As a side thought, the word that is translated Testament, is better translated Covenant. By doing this it would recognize that tha Old Testament was about the Mosaic Law Covenant, and the Greek Scriptures, New Testament is about the New Covenant, that Jesus instituted on the night before his death, and Superceded the Old Covenant, Luke 22:14-20, 1Corinthians 11:23-26, Hebrews 8:6-13.
The term lord is used for both God and Jesus, and this has made it difficult to distinguish which one is meant. This confusion is caused because Jews who copied the Holy Scriptures became superstitious, thinking that an imperfect human should not say the Great God’s Personal Name. This in spite of God having His name recorded in His Book over 7,000 Times. He must have wanted it said, and often!!!
The important thing to remember is that Jesus is God’s son, and Jesus loves and worships his father, John 20:17. The entire 17th chapter of John is a prayer by Jesus to his Father, Jehovah God, The Almighty. God has given one name under heaven by which we MUST get saved, Acts 4:10-12, John 20:30,31.

 

[Kemosloby]

Kemosloby,
Please allow me to make you aware of a couple of things!!
In the Hebrew Scriptures, called The Old Testament, many Bibles have followed the way of the King James Bible. They have almost removed that Personal, Proper Name Of God, which name God had recorded in His Book almost 7,000 Times. Every place you see LORD or GOD, in capital letters, the Original word for God’s Name was recorded, YHWH, which name in English, is Jehovah.
This is the LORD, and GOD of the Old Testament. As a side thought, the word that is translated Testament, is better translated Covenant. By doing this it would recognize that tha Old Testament was about the Mosaic Law Covenant, and the Greek Scriptures, New Testament is about the New Covenant, that Jesus instituted on the night before his death, and Superceded the Old Covenant, Luke 22:14-20, 1Corinthians 11:23-26, Hebrews 8:6-13.
The term lord is used for both God and Jesus, and this has made it difficult to distinguish which one is meant. This confusion is caused because Jews who copied the Holy Scriptures became superstitious, thinking that an imperfect human should not say the Great God’s Personal Name. This in spite of God having His name recorded in His Book over 7,000 Times. He must have wanted it said, and often!!!
The important thing to remember is that Jesus is God’s son, and Jesus loves and worships his father, John 20:17. The entire 17th chapter of John is a prayer by Jesus to his Father, Jehovah God, The Almighty. God has given one name under heaven by which we MUST get saved, Acts 4:10-12, John 20:30,31.

Which Lord do you believe was talking to the prophets in the OT, God or Christ?

 

[blü 2]

Probably the whole invisible non materialistic nature of God would tend to not leave much archeological evidence. Much like naked Adam and Eve didn't leave much behind but footsteps. I pity you that you jump to your conclusions or jump on board with them as you do.

Gods are most easily understood in terms of their culture, time and place.

As for archaeology, why would you not be interested to know the actual origins of gods?

And thank you for the pity. I presently have no need, but I'll put it aside in case I ever do.

 

[Kemosloby]

Gods are most easily understood in terms of their culture, time and place.

As for archaeology, why would you not be interested to know the actual origins of gods?

And thank you for the pity. I presently have no need, but I'll put it aside in case I ever do.

If i believed they could tell us I would be interested.

 

[wizanda]

If there is any doubt that Jesus is the "Lord" of the old testament, and author of it who spoke through his prophets.

In my opinion:

Find the methodology flawed in the OP; instead the best way to recognize Yeshua divinely inspired the prophets, is that they interlink in a complex manner such as computer code.

For instance the parable the Wicked Husbandmen, fits with so many prophecies, and only if someone knew all of the code could they ever hope to create a summary in such a succinct way.

In my opinion.

 

[blü 2]

If i believed they could tell us I would be interested.

What part of what archaeology can tell you would interest you?

Is it not relevant to know (to the extent possible) the actual origins of the god of any particular religion?

 

[Kemosloby]

What part of what archaeology can tell you would interest you?

Is it not relevant to know (to the extent possible) the actual origins of the god of any particular religion?

(to the extent possible) does not equate to knowing the actual origins of anything. (to the extent possible) means you think you have an idea how it might have come to be, but you take that and present is as absolute fact and cop an attitude when someone does not see it your way. Start a new thread if you want to talk about archeaology.

 

[Sleeppy]

The relationship between the non-leader non-anointed Jesus and the messiah of the Tanakh is nil. The messiah title in this case is a Christian invention, not a Jewish recognition.

Reiterating clear bias at this point is pointless..

1) Do you have a list of the Messiah's qualifications?
a) Where did you get it?

2) Disregarding the prophets on the other form of anointing is also not helping.

 

[Kapalika]

I didn't know that people could write stuff before they existed. Isn't tradition that Moses wrote a lot of it? And that it had many different authors?

 

[Kemosloby]

I didn't know that people could write stuff before they existed. Isn't tradition that Moses wrote a lot of it? And that it had many different authors?

The idea is that the Lord was talking to Moses which is how Moses knew what to write. Like when he first started talking to Moses from the burning bush. And then you have the actual burning bush. The Lord appeared to Moses from a burning bush, the actual scene is part of a larger picture of metaphorical meaning.

Exodus 34:1 The LORD said to Moses, "Chisel out two stone tablets like the first ones, and I will write on them the words that were on the first tablets, which you broke.

So that is Jesus talking to Moses.

 

[Phantasman]

If there is any doubt that Jesus is the "Lord" of the old testament, and author of it who spoke through his prophets. Written over and over again "So they will know that I am the Lord", yet when Jesus came they did not know he was the Lord.

A couple lines of scripture showing that Jesus is the author.

Scripture- Psalm 82:6 "I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.'

My comment - This is a line from the Old Testament written by David a prophet of the Lord.

Scripture- John 10:34 Jesus replied, "Is it not written in your Law: 'I have said you are gods' ?

My comment - Here's is Jesus speaking in first person that He said in the Old Testament that you are gods.

Jesus used the word "I" as not of himself, but quoting the passage. Jesus authored nothing. The Holy Spirit was unknown to the Hebrews. They listened to angels (read Acts 7):

53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.

Christ said man had not had the Spirit yet:
John:
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

John:
(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Man has never heard Gods voice at any time.

John:
And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

Jesus says that Moses, and the "fathers" of the Jews, didn't receive their knowledge from Heaven, and they died.

The OT misleads many, and results in death. Only the Gospel saves man.

John:
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

The OT may use the word spirit, but knew nothing of the Spirit that saves man. Jesus was the first Christ (chrism of Spirit), and we are able to become the same, following him.

 

[blü 2]

Reiterating clear bias at this point is pointless.

I have no bias, except in favor of facts. If Jesus fitted the Tanakh's view of a messiah, I'd happily say so.

The word means 'anointed', rendered in Greek as Χριστός. transliterated into Latin as Christus, becoming in English Christ. No person with authority to speak or act for the Jewish priesthood or the Jewish community ever anointed Jesus; or recognized him as a leader of their religion or nation.

 

[Sleeppy]

I have no bias, except in favor of facts. If Jesus fitted the Tanakh's view of a messiah, I'd happily say so.

The word means 'anointed', rendered in Greek as Χριστός. transliterated into Latin as Christus, becoming in English Christ. No person with authority to speak or act for the Jewish priesthood or the Jewish community ever anointed Jesus; or recognized him as a leader of their religion or nation.

1) No list?

2) Disregarding prophetic anointing.

 

[Ingledsva]

The idea is that the Lord was talking to Moses which is how Moses knew what to write. Like when he first started talking to Moses from the burning bush. And then you have the actual burning bush. The Lord appeared to Moses from a burning bush, the actual scene is part of a larger picture of metaphorical meaning.

Exodus 34:1 The LORD said to Moses, "Chisel out two stone tablets like the first ones, and I will write on them the words that were on the first tablets, which you broke.

So that is Jesus talking to Moses.

NOPE!

It says - YHVH said to Moses,

YHVH, the ONE God of the Hebrew.

It is you folks that twist another religion's texts, trying to make it fit your Jesus trinity.

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[Rational Agnostic]

If there is any doubt that Jesus is the "Lord" of the old testament, and author of it who spoke through his prophets. Written over and over again "So they will know that I am the Lord", yet when Jesus came they did not know he was the Lord.

A couple lines of scripture showing that Jesus is the author.

Scripture- Psalm 82:6 "I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.'

My comment - This is a line from the Old Testament written by David a prophet of the Lord.

Scripture- John 10:34 Jesus replied, "Is it not written in your Law: 'I have said you are gods' ?

My comment - Here's is Jesus speaking in first person that He said in the Old Testament that you are gods.

No, it was written before he was born, so logically impossible.

 

[Kemosloby]

No, it was written before he was born, so logically impossible.

When was the Lord born in the OT who wrote the 10 commandments on tablets of stone?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

My comment - This is a line from the Old Testament written by David a prophet of the Lord.

What a quaint belief.

 

[Phantasman]

NOPE!

It says - YHVH said to Moses,

YHVH, the ONE God of the Hebrew.

It is you folks that twist another religion's texts, trying to make it fit your Jesus trinity.

*

Orthodox thinking.

The Father never spoke to anyone.Jesus says:

John:
Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
(Of course unless you think "bread" means loaves).

If YHVH said something to Moses, it proves he is not the Father, per Jesus:

John:
And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at anytime, nor seen his shape.

Christ is telling the "Jews" that the Father has never spoken to them until the "son" spoke to them.

The Father has murdered no one. Follow the god you want. But YHWH is a named god when Christ says that the Father has no name.

 

[Rational Agnostic]

When was the Lord born in the OT who wrote the 10 commandments on tablets of stone?

He didn't. That is a fictional story. In fact there is good evidence that the 10 commandments were plagiarized from the Egyptian Book of the Dead.