Jesus's second coming

[san miguel]

i would accept jesus as a man or a woman, the only thing i wonder is if jesus would only reveal himself to the me because he only did that to the few (like he did with the apostles) in the beginning until his time came, but the second coming of jesus is suppose to be the apocalypse, which might mean he only shows himself to the few he is saving and the rest only see him when destruction/ death occurs. I don't feel worthy enough to even tie one of his sandals, which would mean i might never get to see him until the rapture occurs....

 

[challupa]

i would accept jesus as a man or a woman, the only thing i wonder is if jesus would only reveal himself to the me because he only did that to the few (like he did with the apostles) in the beginning until his time came, but the second coming of jesus is suppose to be the apocalypse, which might mean he only shows himself to the few he is saving and the rest only see him when destruction/ death occurs. I don't feel worthy enough to even tie one of his sandals, which would mean i might never get to see him until the rapture occurs....

Well I'm glad to hear you would accept either gender. I always thought the Christian religion was far to patriarchial, no balance. However, I don't agree that you are not worthy. If you really read the bible, he trys to tell people that he isn't different from others and he tried to tell us that we too were gods. I don't know why everyone in Christianity focuses on the sinner image instead of the positive one that is there.

 

[Muffled]

Whoever heard of a prophecy that would take 2k+ years to come to fruition?

What difference does it make? Long prophecies are not uncommon in the Bible. Isaiah's prophecy of the Messiah took no less than 750 years to fulfill.

 

[Muffled]

Good post, it is interesting and there are more to be discovered. You wrote: "However this may be somewhat different in that there are a large number of obedient people" the sign is that the obedient people’s numbers are getting smaller indicating that we are heading in the direction of Noah’s generation, the Lord also points out that in Noah day people were "eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage" this generation is just starting, their desire seem to be to be constantly entertained and are addicted to all sort of make me happy substances, but we are nowhere near the point at which Noah's generation was. The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. 12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
Gen 6:11-12 (KJV) God looks upon the earth and continue in his longsuffering of us all.
Although the Lord said that nobody know the day we are told to be watchful in the parable of the fig tree in Mark13:28-30

I am not sure that this is true. I think the numbers have been shrinking in Europe and are starting to shrink in the USA but the numbers have been growing like wildfire in China and there are increases in Africa and India as well. Paganism is alsmost obliterated except for a handful of neo-paganists.

 

[BruceDLimber]

Greetings!

If Jesus came back as a human, how would you know? Especially if this time he was a she!!! Would you accept a woman?

IOV the Return isn't Jesus the man, but the Christ Spirit!

And this has already happened several times, each as a different individual exhibiting this same Spirit!

While we're not aware of any woman who has filled this role to date, there's certainly no reason why one couldn't be a woman, and indeed, I've heard speculation that the next one (due some centuries down the road) may indeed be a woman!

Best regards,

Bruce

 

[Muffled]

Greetings!



IOV the Return isn't Jesus the man, but the Christ Spirit!

And this has already happened several times, each as a different individual exhibiting this same Spirit!

While we're not aware of any woman who has filled this role to date, there's certainly no reason why one couldn't be a woman, and indeed, I've heard speculation that the next one (due some centuries down the road) may indeed be a woman!

Best regards,

Bruce

The spirit you speak of is sort of like the spirit of Christmas instead of a spiritual entity. There is no proof that the Spirit of God has come back into another body. I can see whee the Bah'u'llah identifies himself with the teachings of Jesus but he also identifies himself with the teachings of Islam as well.

 

[challupa]

Greetings!



IOV the Return isn't Jesus the man, but the Christ Spirit!

And this has already happened several times, each as a different individual exhibiting this same Spirit!

While we're not aware of any woman who has filled this role to date, there's certainly no reason why one couldn't be a woman, and indeed, I've heard speculation that the next one (due some centuries down the road) may indeed be a woman!

Best regards,

Bruce

Why centuries? We need new input now. We absolutely need to change the way we view things. We need to understand that humanity is at a crossroads. We must act if we want to change things and not expect some supernatural being to step in to do it for us. There are people on this earth right now that have radical ideas for postive social change and we need to listen to them. We don't need to wait for another coming of Jesus. We need to understand that we need to recognize the humanity in all of us regardless of beliefs. It is time to learn to broaden our definition of "family". Athiests and thiests need to come together and educate the more fundamentalist groups and get them to realize that we must work together instead of trying to get rid or suppress each other. There needs to be dialogue in the real world like we have here on the forums.

 

[Bishadi]

i would accept jesus as a man or a woman, the only thing i wonder is if jesus would only reveal himself to the me because he only did that to the few (like he did with the apostles) in the beginning until his time came, but the second coming of jesus is suppose to be the apocalypse, which might mean he only shows himself to the few he is saving and the rest only see him when destruction/ death occurs. I don't feel worthy enough to even tie one of his sandals, which would mean i might never get to see him until the rapture occurs....

Kind words and humility.

Question: what do you expect from the chirst?

I mean, think of the people of the whole world; what would grant equality to mankind? Are you expecting magic? Miracles?

The reason i ask this is are you standing with 2 feet on the ground or are you expecting what a couple thousand years of beliefs has compiled into a text?

it seems that in all three of the abrahamic sects, they share an 'end of days' scenario as if someone way back when saw the visions. All three wrote words defining a 'end times' and in all three, they share a person, a human, will walk; but did any really read what to observe, what to expect, what is actually coming?

So to see these visions means they were describing a future event and defining with the words of their period.

For example: the burning of flesh (from the bones) would occur from magic and the power of God, but in our period, we know that nuclear weapons will 'rain fire from the sky' as they do not detonate on the surface but approximately 500 feet above the ground.

So you see, what was written may not have the story perfect, and that is what humble observance allows any to realize.

So i ask, you what do you expect?

What is it that combines mankind into ONE?

What is the 'revealing'?

 

[BruceDLimber]

Greetings!

IOV the Return isn't Jesus the man, but the Christ Spirit!

And this has already happened several times, each as a different individual exhibiting this same Spirit!

The spirit you speak of is sort of like the spirit of Christmas instead of a spiritual entity.

I disagree.

There is no proof that the Spirit of God has come back into another body. I can see whee the Bah'u'llah identifies himself with the teachings of Jesus, but he also identifies himself with the teachings of Islam as well.

Precisely, because IOV Muhammad was another of these God-sent Divine Messengers!

Indeed, we see ALL the great religions as having been founded by God via the Messengers He sends!

The proofs are (as always with religion) spiritual, not objectively testable. We've investigated this and now stipulate them! YMMV, as ever.

Peace,

Bruce

 

[BruceDLimber]

Greetings!

There's certainly no reason why a Divine Messenger couldn't be a woman, and indeed, I've heard speculation that the next one (due some centuries down the road) may indeed be a woman!

Why centuries? We need new input now. We absolutely need to change the way we view things. We need to understand that humanity is at a crossroads.

The short answer is that, like it or not, Divine Messengers typically come 500-1,000 years apart!

But in fact the "new input" you want has indeed already appeared, in the 200 volumes of Baha'i scripture revealed between 1853 and 1921!

So while we fully agree that humanity is at a crossroads and needs to alter its viewpoint, the guidance for doing so is very much at hand, and it simply needs to be widely recognized and then followed!

And you can see these scriptures at the following sites:

· www.ibiblio.org/Bahai (This site has includes a search engine.)
· www.bahai-library.org (Click "Baha'i Writings" for our scriptures.)
· www.reference.bahai.org (This site is multi-lingual.)
· www.bahaistudy.org (This also has videos and talking books.)

Best!

Bruce

 

[challupa]

Greetings!

But in fact the "new input" you want has indeed already appeared, in the 200 volumes of Baha'i scripture revealed between 1853 and 1921!

So while we fully agree that humanity is at a crossroads and needs to alter its viewpoint, the guidance for doing so is very much at hand, and it simply needs to be widely recognized and then followed!

And you can see these scriptures at the following sites:

· www.ibiblio.org/Bahai (This site has includes a search engine.)
· www.bahai-library.org (Click "Baha'i Writings" for our scriptures.)
· www.reference.bahai.org (This site is multi-lingual.)
· www.bahaistudy.org (This also has videos and talking books.)

Best!

Bruce

While I do agree that Baha'i is an improvement over the older organized religions, I still think we need a new belief once again. You say that it only happens 500 - 1000 years apart. Well maybe it's time to take things into our own hands so to speak and make the needed changes ourselves based on what humanity needs right now. The world has changed so fast in the last 100 years that my 96 year old mother went from horse and carriage and candles and kerosene lamps to satillites and cell phones before she died. If everything is excelerating, maybe we need to keep up too. We need to mature, take humanity to a new level of awareness to keep in stride with our technological knowledge. It is one thing to know how to split the atom and quite another to know how to do that with wisdom. We humans can do this, we just have to let go of some of the old beliefs that are causing division and hatred. We really need to start thinking along the lines that we are all in this together and if we don't all start working together instead of competing with each other for more we will not find our future too comfortable. That's my opinion anyway.

 

[BruceDLimber]

Challupa, hi!

While I do agree that Baha'i is an improvement over the older organized religions, I still think we need a new belief once again. You say that it only happens 500 - 1000 years apart. Well maybe it's time to take things into our own hands so to speak and make the needed changes ourselves based on what humanity needs right now.

I fear that "taking things into our own hands" has usually been the best way to screw things up and make them worse, not better!

And again, I put it to you that the very teachings we need in order to promote a loving, unified, and progressive society already exist in the books I mentioned! It's simply a matter of more folks' recognizing this and endeavoring to implement these things!

As goes the saying, "We're working on it!"

And if you will forgive me another saying that coincidentally happens to contain a truly awful Baha'i pun,

THE KINGDOM OF GOD ON EARTH
....................(Some assembly required.)....................

Cheers!

Bruce

 

[challupa]

Challupa, hi!

I fear that "taking things into our own hands" has usually been the best way to screw things up and make them worse, not better!
Sorry, but I don't see that any religious doctrines have done very well either. Maybe it's time to try for ourselves instead of following a doctrine that gives our responsibility over to a God.

And again, I put it to you that the very teachings we need in order to promote a loving, unified, and progressive society already exist in the books I mentioned! It's simply a matter of more folks' recognizing this and endeavoring to implement these things!
If the doctrines of religions were doable, maybe they would be followed to a greater degree. We need a commonsense, united way of changing things that aren't working. Baha'i has a very good start in that direction in that I do agree, but it needs to be taken even further imo.
As goes the saying, "We're working on it!"

And if you will forgive me another saying that coincidentally happens to contain a truly awful Baha'i pun,

THE KINGDOM OF GOD ON EARTH
....................(Some assembly required.)....................

Cheers!

Bruce

LOl, and we seem to have lost the right tools for the job!

 

[BruceDLimber]

Hi again!

LOl, and we seem to have lost the right tools for the job!

On the contrary, we're sure the very tools needed--indeed, the new administrative order itself--were provided in our scriptures!

And this is already very much under way among Baha'is world wide!

Best,

Bruce