Jesus's virgin birth between Talmud,New Testimony, and Quran

[YmirGF]

I believe it is logical because God is still speaking. So even today it is logical for God to say what happened.

I believe that is totally illogical. There are millions of events that are never reported.

I believe that phrase is in error. Muhammed claims he received his information from an angel.

I am hard pressed to understand the context in which you are meaning this, @Muffled
What, exactly, are you agreeing with and what, exactly, are you disagreeing with?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I beleive it is illogical to say that Luke plagiarized Matthew when Luke has made the claim that he is ascertaining the facts for himself and the person he is writing to.

You are free, of course, to believe all manner of silly and or baseless things.

 

[Limo]

A Zonah is a prostitute - meaning a woman who sells herself for money. In Jewish Law it means a woman who had relations with a man she's not allowed to. The only real sigificance of the status is that she's not allowed to marry a priest.


No and I specifically kept saying "one time". An unmarried woman who makes herself available for everyone is called a kadeshah. An unmarried woman who has relations with one man mutliple times is either a pilegesh (which may be permisisible) or a kadeshah. I believe the punishment is lashes if there are witnesses that testify to it.


For punishment, that's right. As a court, they will force the husband to divorce his wife, because she clearly committed adultery. But for the purpose of punishment, it doesn't help. Especially since she had no warning. We're not trying to kill people here if we can avoid it. In fact even in a case where there are witnesses and everything, if all of the judges agree that she deserves to be killed she's not killed. We try to keep people alive, not kill them.

No, I will not agree to that at all.


I haven't mentioned anyone peddling woman, so I'm not sure what you mean.


It could be they told the husband when he got back and he divorced her. End of story. Once she committed adultery, he's not allowed to remain married to her. Or maybe he was a sinner to and didn't care about what happened.
- He wouldn't bring her to the bitter waters because he knows that she committed adultery and the bitter waters are for finding out if adultery was committed.
- She wouldn't be choked to death, because there were no witnesses that warned her before she committed adultery.

If the Rabbis want, they can whip her on their own volition if they think it will help prevent the problem from getting worse. But if nothing will be gained by it, there's nothing to do. She's a free person and G-d will have to work it out Himself.


I don't see why not. Here it is. It happened.

Thanks for your answers but I still believe that even one time shouldn't be allowed for unmarried, at least she should have been lashed.
Also, old era husband especially eastern is jealous and wouldn't keep silent for something well known to whole town.

Otherwise, the story is not connected to Mariam and Her son, Al-Masseh Isa Ibn Mariam, One step back, there is no trace for Al-Masseh in Judaic books.
Regards

 

[Tumah]

Thanks for your answers but I still believe that even one time shouldn't be allowed for unmarried, at least she should have been lashed.
Also, old era husband especially eastern is jealous and wouldn't keep silent for something well known to whole town.

Otherwise, the story is not connected to Mariam and Her son, Al-Masseh Isa Ibn Mariam, One step back, there is no trace for Al-Masseh in Judaic books.
Regards

Whatever you believe the law should be, I've told you what it is. The fact that the story exists in the Talmud already proves that that's the law, otherwise this story couldn't have happened. In fact, to prevent this type of thing from happening, later rabbis (like maybe 500+ years later) made an enactment forbidding women from ritually immersing after menstruating unless they're married.

But who cares about evidence, when you're only looking for the most "logical" story.