Jewish fanaticism.

[CMike]

I know 7 children are dead because their parents were orthodox Jews.

authorities believe was caused by a malfunctioning hot plate left on for the Sabbath.


http://hosted2.ap.org/COGRA/54828a5e8d9d48b7ba8b94ba38a9ef22/Article_2015-03-21-US--Fatal%20Brooklyn%20Fire/id-0b4b45b8585045ccaedf79b6c8b41e1d

And six children are dead (in one incident) because the parents were Christians whom had a Christmas tree?

Your point?

 

[leibowde84]

Stop your idiotic stupidity. If I could vote this post down I would.
The problem was that they only had one smoke alarm in the whole house and it was two flights down out of hearing range. That has nothing to do with Judaism.

Really, your almost as bad as the Christians who turn every simple phrase in the Bible into a prophecy about Jesus.

Grow up.

I agree that this is not a "vice" of Judaism, but wouldn't it be better to just simply alter the rule so that stoves could be used to avoid things like this from happening? Portable hot-plates are always going to be more dangerous than stoves (for the most part), so it seems logical to just allow the use of stoves on the Sabbath. Or do you think this is not the case?

 

[rosends]

I agree that this is not a "vice" of Judaism, but wouldn't it be better to just simply alter the rule so that stoves could be used to avoid things like this from happening? Portable hot-plates are always going to be more dangerous than stoves (for the most part), so it seems logical to just allow the use of stoves on the Sabbath. Or do you think this is not the case?

Stoves left on can lead to carbon monoxide poisoning or fires. Each technology has advantages and potential hazards.
There are halachic ways one can and cannot use hotplates and stoves, so people choose one or the other depending on the particular need.

 

[leibowde84]

Stoves left on can lead to carbon monoxide poisoning or fires. Each technology has advantages and potential hazards.
There are halachic ways one can and cannot use hotplates and stoves, so people choose one or the other depending on the particular need.

I agree, every cooking device CAN BE dangerous, but hot-plates that are moved around are about the most unsafe. So, wouldn't it be prudent to just allow cooking devices all the time?

 

[Revoltingest]

The great philosopher & social observer, Larry David, addressed the balancing of religious purity with safety.
It starts at 1 minute into the video.
Caution: Bad word & edible underwear.

 

[Tumah]

I agree that this is not a "vice" of Judaism, but wouldn't it be better to just simply alter the rule so that stoves could be used to avoid things like this from happening? Portable hot-plates are always going to be more dangerous than stoves (for the most part), so it seems logical to just allow the use of stoves on the Sabbath. Or do you think this is not the case?

It's not a question of whether its the case or not. We don't alter rules to suit our needs. We work around the rules.Stoves are permissible to use on the Sabbath. But I would imagine that it is more dangerous as it necessitates leaving the flame on the whole 25 hours. The best answer is to always have enough smoke alarms installed. That's what it comes down to and that's what this poor family didn't have.

 

[Akivah]

How many more fires and innocent life lost, before people can cook a meal on a stove and use electrical switches like every other person does?

So you are saying that non-religious people don't die in household accidents?

 

[leibowde84]

It's not a question of whether its the case or not. We don't alter rules to suit our needs. We work around the rules.Stoves are permissible to use on the Sabbath. But I would imagine that it is more dangerous as it necessitates leaving the flame on the whole 25 hours. The best answer is to always have enough smoke alarms installed. That's what it comes down to and that's what this poor family didn't have.

That makes sense. Thanks for your input.

 

[rosends]

I agree, every cooking device CAN BE dangerous, but hot-plates that are moved around are about the most unsafe. So, wouldn't it be prudent to just allow cooking devices all the time?

I haven't found hot plates to be the most dangerous, nor are they moved around. Mine sits on a counter. My stove top lends itself to more gas leaks. Different technologies lend themselves to different pitfalls. Saying "yes" to all is not the answer, neither is saying "no".

 

[Akivah]

All I gots is that you refuse to accept the definition of fanaticism.

What is socially normal and what is religious law seems to be very difficult for you.


Your sticking up for what killed 7 children.

It's called an accident. According to your "logic", Jews use hotplates on Shabbat to purposefully kill our children.

 

[outhouse]

So you are saying that non-religious people don't die in household accidents?

No.

Im saying ultra orthodox Jews are even looked at as fanatical by other Jews.

And these 7 kids died because their parents were orthodox Jews who were doing something dangerous, normal people would not do, because they have freedom to use electricity as needed.

I mean really, would it kill their god to let them use the stove when its freezing outside?????????????????????

 

[outhouse]

It's called an accident. According to your "logic", Jews use hotplates on Shabbat to purposefully kill our children.

No according to your logic, they are making god angry NO STOVE! only hotplate!


I hope no one gets thrown in a volcano or something.

 

[outhouse]

Stoves left on can lead to carbon monoxide poisoning or fires.

And so can hotplates!!!!!

QUIT LEAVING STUFF ON all night because your religion wont give you freedom !

Your children might live longer.

 

[rosends]

No.

Im saying ultra orthodox Jews are even looked at as fanatical by other Jews.

And these 7 kids died because their parents were orthodox Jews who were doing something dangerous, normal people would not do, because they have freedom to use electricity as needed.

I mean really, would it kill their god to let them use the stove when its freezing outside?????????????????????

Just to clarify, you realize the following facts, I hope:
It was cold, but not freezing.
The hotplate was used for food, not for heating
A stove is permissible on the sabbath if one follows the rules, same as the hotplate

So your recommendation not only doesn't address the issue at hand, but it would be no different in its compliance with religious rules.

 

[rosends]

And so can hotplates!!!!!

QUIT LEAVING STUFF ON all night because your religion wont give you freedom !

Your children might live longer.

Oh, so they shouldn't use stoves even though you just said to use a stove? ("would it kill their god to let them use the stove when its freezing outside?")

 

[outhouse]

A stove is permissible on the sabbath if one follows the rules,

The rules are not socially normal.

It is a fanatical rule.

It is a fanatical practice. Its why no one else does it.

 

[rosends]

The rules are not socially normal.

It is a fanatical rule.

So why do you recommend that they use the stove? Why not just say "abandon religious rules"?

Because of electrical potential problems, should I unplug my fridge every night?

 

[outhouse]

Oh, so they shouldn't use stoves even though you just said to use a stove?

Its pretty simple here. Drop the dangerous practice no one lese follows



QUIT LEAVING STUFF ON all night because your religion wont give you freedom !

 

[outhouse]

So why do you recommend that they use the stove?

In the day time like normal families. You know that socially accepted practice called cooking.


Not leaving a hotplate on all night to make a deity happy

 

[Akivah]

I am only going to say I am sorry for this families tragic loss.

This is the best post in this whole stupid thread.

An accidental tragedy occurred. We should be extending our condolences instead of pursuing our agendas.