rosends
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Simply using Genesis 5:2 and combining it with Psalms 139:5 is, to me, a very tenuous connection which does not justify the Jewish Rabbinic belief/claim/opinion, etc.
So you still don’t understand about the various possible roles of midrash and think that your personal take on whether a conclusion drawn as one interpretive opinion matters.
While the concept of the androgyne allowed the rabbis to reconcile the two accounts of Creation, The scriptures simply don't tell us God “sawed” Adam in half, or that he specifically had two sets of sexual organs (both male and female). The text doesn’t tell us Adam was able to have sex with himself and have children without the need for Eve (as another rabbinic opinion tells us).
Unless you insist on being a slave to the literal and limited words that you read in your handy-dandy translation. In that case, most of Judaism will make no sense to you and you will be rejecting Jesus’ edict to follow the rabbinic teachings. If that works for you, then have fun.
Yes, such a Rabbinic belief would be incredibly hard to defend just like many, many of the teachings and rules the rabbis created.
I don’t recall saying that anything would be difficult to defend. I said that there isn’t much to defend because this relies more on a belief system and if you have no belief then no defense will convince you.
Of course you want individuals to believe in the authority of Rabbinic Judiasm, else you would not argue in favor of it's having authority..
I don’t want anyone to believe anything of the sort. I don’t care if people believe or not. What matters is that you understand that your statements are coming from a context that lacks belief and is therefore uninteresting to anyone who has that belief. If you don’t believe in the freedom of the press, then your criticisms of the legal points derived from the first amendment are useless.
You claim you are free as a Jew to "reject or question" the teachings of "Rabbinic Judaism".
That is all that I and others are doing.
Sort of, but you are doing it by rejecting the entire authority and system instead of dealing with the initial issue and using similar methods to present different interpretations. You are not rejecting a specific teaching, explaining why (taking into account the logic used without dismissing it) you reject the conclusion and working to present your own conclusion. You are rejecting the entire model.
I am questioning how in the world your leaders came up with such bizarre doctrines on so little actual objective data.
I am questioning what sort of logic underlies such bizarre Rabbinic beliefs.
Exactly – you aren’t looking at this case and questioning, but looking at the entire system and rejecting it. But since you aren’t Jewish, who cares?
I did not ask you to support this Jewish belief with Midrashim along but you are welcome to use Old Testament Text and then simply explaining the logic underlying such bizarre Rabbinic Teachings.
Jewish teachings are limited by the biblical text because part of Judaism is the acceptance of the existence of a complementary set of laws and ideas.
Since the Rabbis are quoting old testament texts and then giving their personal interpretations of these texts to create this Jewish doctrine, perhaps you could start there?
Who said that they are “personal”? They are based on a particular methodology and informed by the biblical text and Jewish belief.
Absolutely, and it isn’t even the weirdest thing about Judaism. Why you have focused on this and not the myriad other examples fascinates me.While this belief that Adam had both male and female sex organs may not be "strange" to Jewish students, it is a very strange and Bizarre belief on the planet where many of the rest of us come from.
Can you explain to readers why this belief is NOT "strange" or "tenuous" in it's usage of the Old Testament text to come to this belief?
How can I explain to someone why something I respect as appearing weird isn’t actually weird? The system of interpretation is firmly part of Jewish tradition and infuses what Judaism always has been What should seem weird to anyone who is paying attention is why the religion, at its most foundational, demands exactly this kind of understanding.
then why do you assume the Rabbis have any more authority to create such doctrines/beliefs and teach them to others without data or supporting logic.
Because biblically, they are imbued with that power (they are the judges of our day).