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Jewish u.s. President possible?
- Thread starter sthitpradnya
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As of today (literally - she just got sworn in today), my province has an openly gay female premier. She's Christian, though, not Muslim. Still.
Edit: but I think this note about her may warrant some Mystic Bonus Points:
Kathleen Wynne - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I think I'm in love. :hearts:
jazzymom
Just Jewish
jazzymom
Just Jewish
Keith Ellison swore on a Qur'an when he was sworn in as a member of congress.
Congressman to Be Sworn in Using Quran - washingtonpost.com
A Muslim could be president and still be a Muslim.
jazzymom
Just Jewish
F0uad
Well-Known Member
The principles of being a Muslim contradict the policies in America, moreover we cannot rule a Non-Muslim country.
The government has foreign policies that a average and moderate Muslims can consider America's government as a enemy just look at its history it never attacked a ''white-country'' except for once because they didn't want Germany to rule as they do.
O and we are not supported by the Aipac but rather opposed.
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jazzymom
Just Jewish
So are you saying that Muslims can't be part of America too, or citizens?
You do know we have a Muslim American in congress don't you?
There are Americans who think Muslims can't be trusted.
We got into WW2 because the Japanese attacked Pearl harbor.
Hitler needed to be defeated as he was taking over Europe.
The US did not wake up one day and decide to attack Germany.
Read up on WW2 and maybe you will know why many countries were at war with Germany.
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Levite
Higher and Higher
Considering that the US is a democratic republic, and its policies are potentially alterable by whoever is elected to office, it seems to me that if all Muslims were actually unwilling to even consider running for office, it would awfully hard to justify outrage at US policies they disagreed with. However, I believe there are two serving Muslim members of Congress, and others who have run for office unsuccessfully, and others currently planning political campaigns for future elections. Presumably they, or other American Muslims, would not actually be averse to becoming president. So I assume that there is some measurable segment of Muslim society in America that does not share your view.
I know for myself, I have-- in theory-- no objection to a Muslim president, or to Muslims serving at any other level of government. I would be more concerned with a Muslim population that refused to participate in civic governance: it is fortunate I do not appear to need to be so concerned.
F0uad
Well-Known Member
Being a citizen and a president are two entire different things, are you suggesting that a Muslim can support the foreign policies of America? Yes a yes or no will do.
Does that Muslim person support the policies of America?
Yeah and that is also a reason why a Muslim cannot be a president.
Maybe you should open your eyes once and read what i have said.We got into WW2 because the Japanese attacked Pearl harbor.
Hitler needed to be defeated as he was taking over Europe.
The US did not wake up one day and decide to attack Germany.
Read up on WW2 and maybe you will know why many countries were at war with Germany.
F0uad
Well-Known Member
Do you honestly belief that Muslim can be elected in America? Just tell me how much support will he or she get? Do you think the Republican or Democratic party will let them compete for the presidential election? Do you think the AIPAC has no saying into it? I already explained that a Muslim cannot be a ruler over a Non Islamic state according to Islamic principles and laws.
Please cite your claim and if they do run for office they would only do it to change that damn foreign policy that has killed over 1,5 Million innocent Muslims in 8 years world wide.
If a Muslim is elected president he has to oppose Sharia on a Non Muslim state what is forbidden moreover he or she has to stop allying with Israel and other Europe countries that harms hes Ummah.
Give it thirty or forty years. A Muslim will probably have as good a chance as anyone of being elected to the presidency by then. I also predict there will come a day, perhaps sooner, when we will see a New York pushcart in the White House.
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F0uad
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Its only getting worse not better and i am not going to respond anymore. The Islamic law is very clear that its forbidden.
You see, you have the Old World attitude that laws are laws and cannot be broken. But we in America aren't such traditionalists. We'll elect a Muslim president someday. People in the Old World will swear he cannot be Muslim because Islamic law is very clear that it's forbidden. We'll just shrug and go on.
F0uad
Well-Known Member
Old world? Referring to the Middle-east or Muslim countries its very offensive if you are. The rest is not worth replying on, like i said ill just stay out of this.
No offense intended.
There are enough Muslims and non-Muslims in the U.S. who disagree to offer the possibility that it might happen. I'd certainly welcome it. :yes:
I had not really considered this before. Thank you.
I'd be curious to know whether there is anything approaching unanimity about this within Islam? I ask for a couple of reasons:
- There is a pro and anti zionist wing within Jewish orthodoxy and I'm wondering whether something similar might be found within Islam.
- I'm also wondering what the existence of this law says about Turkey and Erdogan. Should we interpret any attempt by a Muslim to run for office in a secular country to be (a) at odds with his or her religion or (b) an attempt to create an Islamic state?
F0uad
Well-Known Member
No problem.
Reply on question 1:
I am not sure how this can be possible for ''Muslims'' there is many ''Muslim'' lands and Allah(swt) never said that we cannot have a country.
Reply on question 2:
The Majority of Turkey is still Muslim but as a Muslim your ordered to establish Sharia in your country so in a sense yes he did fail and certainly on hes foreign policies. There are also traditions that narrate a Muslim should only be a leader of a state that has a Muslim majority.
Thank you.