Jews are not trying to build a Temple/synagogue on the Temple Mount

[Kangaroo Feathers]

source?

They're the Christian leaders you're so hot to throw in with. Maybe you should listen to them a bit more before trying to hitch your wagon to them, if this is news to you?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

A Science Fiction story with a strong female protagonist.

So like Star Wars or Friday? Seems a needlessly divisive qualifier to me, but OK. Thanks for the response.

 

[Tumah]

It seemed very blinded to the spirit by the letter of the law to me. Hey, if that makes sense to you and is how you want to engage with your religion, more power to you. I wish you all the best.

What are you basing this comment on? You haven't seen any discussion of the spirit of the Law here, so I don't see what yardstick you are using to determine whether or not we are blinded by the letter of the Law. Are you just regurgitating the author of the book of Mark?

My question, though, is what about people whose interest isn't in legalistic jots and tittles, but see things in a more "big picture" type way, and just want a 3rd Temple. What would you say to them?

A Temple created in a way that does not conform to G-d's stated Will, is how we got in trouble with the Golden Calf.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

What are you basing this comment on? You haven't seen any discussion of the spirit of the Law here, so I don't see what yardstick you are using to determine whether or not we are blinded by the letter of the Law. Are you just regurgitating the author of the book of Mark?

no, I'm expressing my opinion

A Temple created in a way that does not conform to G-d's stated Will, is how we got in trouble with the Golden Calf.

I understand that. Do you understand there are people who believe that building the Temple is the important part of "God's stated will" rather than complying with what they will claim are insignificant legal minutiae?

 

[Tumah]

no, I'm expressing my opinion

Your expressing your opinion based on an OP that doesn't deal with the half the content your opinion expresses?

I understand that. Do you understand there are people who believe that building the Temple is the important part of "God's stated will" rather than complying with what they will claim are insignificant legal minutiae?

People who claim that they can divide G-d's Will into important parts and unimportant parts have inflated egos.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Your expressing your opinion based on an OP that doesn't deal with the half the content your opinion expresses?

sorry, you lost me?

People who claim that they can divide G-d's Will into important parts and unimportant parts have inflated egos.

And you're entitled to believe so. That does not, however, address the issue that such people exist, whatever you think of their egos, so I reiterate my earlier question.

 

[Tumah]

sorry, you lost me?

Just restating the same thing as above. Your opinion on whether or not we are blinded to the spirit of the Law by the letter, appears to be based on a discussion that doesn't touch on the spirit of the Law. Which would make it a foolish basis for forming an opinion about it.

And you're entitled to believe so. That does not, however, address the issue that such people exist, whatever you think of their egos, so I reiterate my earlier question.

I thought you were asking "what would I say to them" as you did above. Whether or not such people exist is irrelevant. They're either ignorant Jews or not Jews.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Just restating the same thing as above. Your opinion on whether or not we are blinded to the spirit of the Law by the letter, appears to be based on a discussion that doesn't touch on the spirit of the Law. Which would make it a foolish basis for forming an opinion about it.

uh-huh

I thought you were asking "what would I say to them" as you did above. Whether or not such people exist is irrelevant. They're either ignorant Jews or not Jews.

so no true Scotsman? Ok.

 

[Tumah]

uh-huh

So you see the problem.

so no true Scotsman? Ok.

I didn't say that ignorant Jews not Jews. They can certainly be really Jewish. They're opinions simply don't count.

 

[Kirran]

There's a hill on the farm back in Wales. I can build a little temple just for you there @Tumah to keep you going in the interim. We'll call it the 2.5th Temple. I'll make a special annex where you can run your bagel business and a ten-storey building next door for you to keep your vast brood of children in.

 

[Tumah]

There's a hill on the farm back in Wales. I can build a little temple just for you there @Tumah to keep you going in the interim. We'll call it the 2.5th Temple. I'll make a special annex where you can run your bagel business and a ten-storey building next door for you to keep your vast brood of children in.

The rolling green hills of Whales. Sounds peaceful. Are you going to be cool with the slaughter of a couple goats and sheep every day? Also can you take care of any permits? I'm not sure what you need to run a Temple, what with the slaughter and butchering, the fires and the smell. Probably a zoning law that will need to be worked out.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Are you going to be cool with the slaughter of a couple goats and sheep every day?

Build it in New Zealand. Compared to what those people do to sheep and goats every day, slaughter would probably be considered a mercy.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

So you see the problem.

Nope.

I didn't say that ignorant Jews not Jews. They can certainly be really Jewish. They're opinions simply don't count.

And yet they vote.

 

[Rival]

@Tumah, just build a deli. It'll smell better and, more importantly, you will profit from it.

 

[RabbiO]

Do you understand there are people who believe that building the Temple is the important part of "God's stated will" rather than complying with what they will claim are insignificant legal minutiae?

Exactly who are these people? Can you provide some names? Do these people have an organization, or organizations, that espouses that position? Can you provide the name or names?

 

[rosends]

And yet they vote.

What does voting have to do with anything? I thought this conversation was about the building of a temple which reflects a theocratic system, not a democratic one.

 

[RabbiO]

It seemed very blinded to the spirit by the letter of the law to me.....

My question, though, is what about people whose interest isn't in legalistic jots and tittles, but see things in a more "big picture" type way............

Blinded to the spirit.... by the letter of the law. Concerned only with "legalistic jots and tittles". We've been hearing that for 2,000 years.

Not only does that seem to indicate a lack of familiarity with Judaism, it's getting kind of old.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Exactly who are these people? Can you provide some names? Do these people have an organization, or organizations, that espouses that position? Can you provide the name or names?

Not individually. Do you not think they exist? Messianic Jews tend to be into it, as do many American Evangelicals.

 

[Rival]

Not individually. Do you not think they exist? Christians tend to be into it, as do many American Evangelicals.

FIFY.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

What does voting have to do with anything? I thought this conversation was about the building of a temple which reflects a theocratic system, not a democratic one.

Uh-huh. Who do you think these people expect to clear the current users of the site from it for them?