Jews

[beenie]

This thread has me very confuzzled.

 

[rosends]

This thread has me very confuzzled.

You had to see the first 2 movies for this one to make sense.

 

[s13ep]

All I know about the good of Judaism (that which would make them superior) is that they have an inaccurate diagram called "the Tree of Life", and this diagram refers to something that would appear more alike a Da Vinci sketch. As for what's written down in a holy book, I imagine, it's nothing compared to the goodness in the 'the Tree of Life' diagram. Qabalah is definitely a good practice that can lead one to wisdom.

 

[rosends]

All I know about the good of Judaism (that which would make them superior) is that they have an inaccurate diagram called "the Tree of Life", and this diagram refers to something that would appear more alike a Da Vinci sketch. As for what's written down in a holy book, I imagine, it's nothing compared to the goodness in the 'the Tree of Life' diagram. Qabalah is definitely a good practice that can lead one to wisdom.

It is tough to say that "they" have anything as, in a population of millions, consensus is usually absent. Second, the diagram is not inaccurate; it is an accurate picture of what it intends to represent. If you see its referent as something else, then it might not be loyal to your image. Third, the diagram is not part of Judaism per se, but one conception of an idea that is part of one level of learning within Judaism. Fourth, Kabbalah is not a practice.

 

[s13ep]

It is tough to say that "they" have anything as, in a population of millions, consensus is usually absent. Second, the diagram is not inaccurate; it is an accurate picture of what it intends to represent. If you see its referent as something else, then it might not be loyal to your image. Third, the diagram is not part of Judaism per se, but one conception of an idea that is part of one level of learning within Judaism. Fourth, Kabbalah is not a practice.

In my wise opinion, it's inaccurate.

In essence you're saying, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chokhmah_(Kabbalah), represents a part of the first of the three worlds, on the feminine pillar to the left of the head? Okay then I have some questions:

a) Where about on the head is this?
b) What is wisdom, or what is it to be wise?

 

[rosends]

In my wise opinion, it's inaccurate.

In essence you're saying, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chokhmah_(Kabbalah), represents a part of the first of the three worlds, on the feminine pillar to the left of the head? Okay then I have some questions:

a) Where about on the head is this?
b) What is wisdom, or what is it to be wise?

I am not in essence (or in fact) saying anything of the sort. I am saying that understanding kabbalah and the sefirot is complex and can't be achieved by simply looking at a diagram and presuming to infer meaning to compare against some other schema. Attaching a word like "head" or asking what "wisdom" is (when the idea is based in the Hebrew word, not in some English approximation) means you are looking for answers in a way doomed to failure.

 

[s13ep]

I am not in essence (or in fact) saying anything of the sort.

Well actually, you are, since you made the claim "it's an accurate diagram". Weasel your way out of arguments, sure, you won't weasel your way, in the way of, my expertise.

 

[rosends]

Well actually, you are, since you made the claim "it's an accurate diagram". Weasel your way out of arguments, sure, you won't weasel your way, in the way of, my expertise.

I said it is an accurate disgram of what it is representing. You are holding it to a different standard so it is inaccurate compared to what you think you know and what you think it should be.

Have you read the Zohar in Hebrew? Have you studied Sefer Hayetzirah? Do you have any actual expertise in what Kabbalah actually is? No, you don't.