Yes, there must be greater effort for education for all, and very important for even preschool. My grandson completed ph.d. with little or no student debt to pay off, hard work and scholarships helped. Biden has not promised to pay off all student debt, much to the disappointment of the progressives, but only 50,000 of the debt.
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Joe Biden Revisiting The Idea Of paying Off Student Loan Debt
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Yes, there must be greater effort for education for all, and very important for even preschool. My grandson completed ph.d. with little or no student debt to pay off, hard work and scholarships helped. Biden has not promised to pay off all student debt, much to the disappointment of the progressives, but only 50,000 of the debt.
Audie
Veteran Member
My opinion does not count, but half of
your fellow citizens disagree.
An adult neighbor maybe, assuming he was already mowing his own lawn. I would offer to pay kids, however. If they refused payment, I would offer to take them out for an ice cream or a burger. I'm not looking for anything for free, especially from people that have less than I do. I remember visiting Kenya and seeing locals on the dock bartering with first-world tourists, who were trying to get the best bargains possible from them. It just seemed wrong to me for people who could afford to go on a cruise and camera safari half-way around the world to try to see how little these people would take for their labor.
What I wouldn't do is what you said you'd do, which I don't consider analogous. You said that you would take money from others to pay a debt that you could afford to pay yourself. I wouldn't. As I said, we have different values. You're a conservative. I'm liberal, a progressive, and a humanist who tries to live by the Golden Rule. We have different psychologies and view our duty to others differently. Life's been good to me, and now I want to share because I can and it feels good. I put up two extra solar panels just to send the excess power to the utility to help power other homes without burning their fossil fuels to generate it. Why? Because I can, and consider it good stewardship of the funds spent. That was a couple of hundred dollars a few years ago that's still giving.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
As oft been said, they only care for children until they're borne.
It's more of a case that someone is working a second job mowing lawns because they need to pay off loan debt that has increased due to economic circumstances.
I have numerous elderly people in my neighborhood and we more capable neighbors make sure we shovel snow from their walks and sidewalks. We aren't asking to be paid, we do it as an obligation to our fellow citizens who aren't fully capable. That is what social contract theory is all about. Helping others in need is even what Jesus talked about during the sermon on the mount. Many Christians like to forget that talk.
NArdas
Member
Do you pay more in taxes than you legally have to?
I've lost interest in wherever it is you're going with these questions. If you have a point, you haven't stated it yet. I looks like deflection away from your original comment.
Plus, you haven't addressed either of my last two responses I gave you. Instead, you deflect with irrelevant questions. I'll tell you what I've told others: you might want to think about what's in it for the other guy, why he would want to continue in a discussion when his comments are ignored. Why would I want to continue fielding questions like these? Remember the Golden Rule. Is the way you deal with other posters the way you want to be treated? If so, you got your wish.
Back to your original comment in the OP. I just saw this and thought of it. I can't you imagine letting my 73 year old mother work until age 73 to help pay bills that I could afford, and then being so tone deaf as to brag about it like it was some kind of virtue:
NArdas
Member
Really, what makes you think that? Tell me what I believe, I'd love to hear it.
Back to your original comment in the OP. I just saw this and thought of it. I can't you imagine letting my 73 year old mother work until age 73 to help pay bills that I could afford, and then being so tone deaf as to brag about it like it was some kind of virtue:
Completely irrelevant to the discussion, why post this?
What you'd love to hear isn't a factor any more for reasons already given. This needs to be a give-and-take enterprise, where we pay attention to one another's comments and make a good faith effort to address them. That hasn't happened here, so no to your request.
You seem to expect me to keep answering questions for you that are of no interest to me in exchange for nothing of interest in return even after having explained to you that that was unacceptable to me. Now you condescendingly want me to tell you what you believe. Why? Once again, what would be in it for me? Having you read it and either asking me more questions without comment on the content, or making some flip, dismissive comment? No thanks. Like you, I'm here for me only now.
I already explained why when I posted it.
NArdas
Member
Claiming someone is something they are not is not a good faith effort and since you refuse to explain all I can do is deduct that you claimed I was a conservative to support your narrative along political lines.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
As usual, America would rather continue to fall behind the developed world and further the idea we are a third world country with first world money.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Those who didn't still benefit from those healthcare workers, engineers, scientists, and scores of others who did.
NArdas
Member
I think it is morally wrong to disinform and leach U.S. taxpayers and convince them through compliant media sources that it is their patriotic duty to pay for weapons to a country that kills it's own civilians. Do you like your falafel with fries or no fries? (thousand island dressing a given)
It is not for others to say that. Taking money from someone who needs it can’t be justified like that. Only the person whose money is being taken can say that. “It’s for your own good.”, doesn’t justify forced taking of their money and property.
Two wrongs don’t make a right. If you are ok with the first you lose any moral high ground for objecting to the second.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I still stand by my statement. Even those who didn't go to college benefit from those who did.
The fair thing to do if student loans are forgiven
would be to reimburse the students who already
repaid their loans or never even borrowed.
Hand-outs should be fair.
would be to reimburse the students who already
repaid their loans or never even borrowed.
Hand-outs should be fair.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
That statement above is in total defiance of halacha.
Obdurate keeping to an erroneous statement is no virtue. Any purported to society for collegiate education is more than recompensed by the huge taxes used to support colleges and universities and hence subsidizing students. Furthermore those students that did not complete their programs or degrees kept others from attending.
Students owe society, not the other way around.