John 14:6

[Muffled]

Trailblazer said "Why do you believe that is about Jesus? I do not believe that it is about Jesus, I believe it is about Baha'u'llah.
Jesus said we would see the Son om man. Jesus did not say we would see Him." Mat.24:30 Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Jesus often called Himself the son of man. Did the B man ever say that?

Did the B man ever come in the clouds with power and glory so that people could see him? I believe he did not.

Matt 24:31 And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Did the B man ever send angels with a loud trumpet call?

Mat 24:3 ...what will be the sign of your coming...

They asked Jesus that question and he answered it in Mat 24:30.

 

[Watchmen]

Well, that promise lasted less than 12 hours. Time to go to confession. Say a few "Hail Marys" (not that doing so is biblical) and consider yourself absolved.

“Not that doing so is biblical.” ???

I’d be careful throwing that phrase around, Katz. Very little of Mormonism is Biblical.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

An important controversy in Christianity is the interpretation of whether or not Jesus made exclusive claims where He envisaged no one could come to God except through Him, or whether a biblical theology should allow for the validity of other religions. An important verse used by Christian exclusivists to justify their theology is John 14:6 where Jesus speaks to His Disciples:

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

What is the best way to understand John 14:6 and why?

To me the first thing is not to take the comment as a material eternity. To me it is a profound spiritual truth where the 'Annointed One' is the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End, the Alpha and Omega and no person comes to God but by Christ, not via the flesh.

Regards Tony

 

[Trailblazer]

Jesus often called Himself the son of man. Did the B man ever say that?

Did the B man ever come in the clouds with power and glory so that people could see him? I believe he did not.

Matt 24:31 And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Did the B man ever send angels with a loud trumpet call?

Mat 24:3 ...what will be the sign of your coming...

They asked Jesus that question and he answered it in Mat 24:30.

Who is the Son of man who will come in the clouds of heaven?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

To me the first thing is not to take the comment as a material eternity. To me it is a profound spiritual truth where the 'Annointed One' is the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End, the Alpha and Omega and no person comes to God but by Christ, not via the flesh.

Regards Tony

So what do you mean by Christ?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

So what do you mean by Christ?

The Holy Spirit.

Regards Tony

 

[Ben Dhyan]

The Holy Spirit.

Regards Tony

So how does that work, through belief in, or becoming one with?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

So how does that work, through belief in, or becoming one with?

Jesus offered we must be born again from the flesh into the Spirit, so embracing the spirit of faith we find acceptance in Jesus as the Annointed One, Christ, born of the Holy Spirit, which gives us a connection to that Oneness with Christ in God, an eternal bond.

Regards Tony

 

[Dogknox20]

“Not that doing so is biblical.” ???

I’d be careful throwing that phrase around, Katz. Very little of Mormonism is Biblical.

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I reply with scriptures...
21 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.”
22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit.
23 If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”

Watchmen The One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church Jesus established on ROCK (not Sand) has the Authority of God to forgive or retain sins!

 

[Ben Dhyan]

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I reply with scriptures...
21 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.”
22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit.
23 If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”

Watchmen The One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church Jesus established on ROCK (not Sand) has the Authority of God to forgive or retain sins!

Only if the Holy Spirit is within, and tell me if you think this politically secular activity by the Church is consistent with the Holy Spirit of God?

Explainer: What are Pope Francis and the Vatican doing to fight climate change?
Explainer: What are Pope Francis and the Vatican doing to fight climate change?

 

[Dogknox20]

Only if the Holy Spirit is within, and tell me if you think this politically secular activity by the Church is consistent with the Holy Spirit of God?

Explainer: What are Pope Francis and the Vatican doing to fight climate change?
Explainer: What are Pope Francis and the Vatican doing to fight climate change?

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ben d Good to meet you... Climate Change? Why not ask; what is the Pope doing in the fight against Volcanoes and Tidal waves!?
Fact... Heat coming up under the ice cap is melting the glaciers! How does climate Change effect the volcanic actions of the earth? It Doesn't!

The Earth wobble ..(Google - Earth Wobble) This is a small excerpt.... Earth does not always spin on an axis running through its poles. Instead, it wobbles irregularly over time, drifting toward North America throughout most of the 20th Century (green arrow). That direction has changed drastically due to changes in water mass on Earth. Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech.
A key factor identified by the scientists is a regular "wobble" in the moon's orbit - first identified in the 18th century - that takes 18.6 years to complete. The moon's gravitational pull helps drive Earth's tides.

The Moon Wobble... (Google - Moon Wobble)...A key factor identified by the scientists is a regular "wobble" in the moon's orbit - first identified in the 18th century - that takes 18.6 years to complete. The moon's gravitational pull helps drive Earth's tides.

What Is the Sun's Role in Climate Change?
From NASA's Global Climate Change Website
The Sun powers life on Earth; it helps keep the planet warm enough for us to survive. It also influences Earth’s climate: We know subtle changes in Earth’s orbit around the Sun are responsible for the comings and goings of the past ice ages. But the warming we’ve seen over the last few decades is too rapid to be linked to changes in Earth’s orbit, and too large to be caused by solar activity. etc

ben d Tell me what the Pope is doing to fight the evils of Abortion!
Tell me what the Pope is doing fighting the abuse of woman and children? Who speaks up for the marginalized and weak?!
Who is willing to talk to both sides in any conflict!? Speaking up against war and terrorisms!
The Pope is the voice of Jesus on earth!

John 21:17 The third time he said to him, “Simon son of John, do you love me?” Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, “Do you love me?” He said, “Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you.” Jesus said, “Feed my sheep.

Matthew 16.. You are ROCK and on you I will build my Church..
ben d.. Rock not sand.. The Body of Jesus hios One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church will never fail!

17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.
God kept Peter from error!

Peter and his lineage (Francis) hold the Keys to heaven!
19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

 

[Ben Dhyan]

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ben d Good to meet you... Climate Change? Why not ask; what is the Pope doing in the fight against Volcanoes and Tidal waves!?
Fact... Heat coming up under the ice cap is melting the glaciers! How does climate Change effect the volcanic actions of the earth? It Doesn't!

The Earth wobble ..(Google - Earth Wobble) This is a small excerpt.... Earth does not always spin on an axis running through its poles. Instead, it wobbles irregularly over time, drifting toward North America throughout most of the 20th Century (green arrow). That direction has changed drastically due to changes in water mass on Earth. Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech.
A key factor identified by the scientists is a regular "wobble" in the moon's orbit - first identified in the 18th century - that takes 18.6 years to complete. The moon's gravitational pull helps drive Earth's tides.

The Moon Wobble... (Google - Moon Wobble)...A key factor identified by the scientists is a regular "wobble" in the moon's orbit - first identified in the 18th century - that takes 18.6 years to complete. The moon's gravitational pull helps drive Earth's tides.

What Is the Sun's Role in Climate Change?
From NASA's Global Climate Change Website
The Sun powers life on Earth; it helps keep the planet warm enough for us to survive. It also influences Earth’s climate: We know subtle changes in Earth’s orbit around the Sun are responsible for the comings and goings of the past ice ages. But the warming we’ve seen over the last few decades is too rapid to be linked to changes in Earth’s orbit, and too large to be caused by solar activity. etc

ben d Tell me what the Pope is doing to fight the evils of Abortion!
Tell me what the Pope is doing fighting the abuse of woman and children? Who speaks up for the marginalized and weak?!
Who is willing to talk to both sides in any conflict!? Speaking up against war and terrorisms!
The Pope is the voice of Jesus on earth!

John 21:17 The third time he said to him, “Simon son of John, do you love me?” Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, “Do you love me?” He said, “Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you.” Jesus said, “Feed my sheep.

Matthew 16.. You are ROCK and on you I will build my Church..
ben d.. Rock not sand.. The Body of Jesus hios One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church will never fail!

17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.
God kept Peter from error!

Peter and his lineage (Francis) hold the Keys to heaven!
19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

And nice to meet you Dogknox. Fwiw, it is my understanding that the Holy Spirit is about the Kingdom of God, not secular and political activity in the fallen state of physical existence. That which is born of flesh is flesh, that which is born of the spirit is spirit, unless you are born of the spirit, you will not see the kingdom of God.

Now all wise incarnate beings have a goal in life to attain to the Kingdom, of God, and for that they must be born of the spirit. That realization occurs between the soul and the Holy Spirit, and requires total dedication, you can not serve two masters without serving one second best. You can not spend your God given opportunity for eternal spiritual life by serving the physical world's imperfect environment.

 

[Dogknox20]

And nice to meet you Dogknox. Fwiw, it is my understanding that the Holy Spirit is about the Kingdom of God, not secular and political activity in the fallen state of physical existence. That which is born of flesh is flesh, that which is born of the spirit is spirit, unless you are born of the spirit, you will not see the kingdom of God.

Now all wise incarnate beings have a goal in life to attain to the Kingdom, of God, and for that they must be born of the spirit. That realization occurs between the soul and the Holy Spirit, and requires total dedication, you can not serve two masters without serving one second best. You can not spend your God given opportunity for eternal spiritual life by serving the physical world's imperfect environment.

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ben d Hello again... The Holy Spirit is Guiding the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church FOREVR!

John 14:16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever—
ben d this means the Holy Spirit is still with the Body of Jesus today "Forever" means the Holy Spirit will never leave!

John 16:13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.
ben d The Holy Church Jesus established on ROCK (not sand) will never fail! The Holy Spirit is the GUIDE.. Guiding FOREVER into all truth!

Luke 10:16 “Whoever listens to you listens to me; whoever rejects you rejects me; but whoever rejects me rejects him who sent me.”
ben d This means rejecting the Holy Catholic Church you reject God! rejects him who sent me

To be Born of Spirit you MUST be baptized!
The Holy Bride removes the stain of sin by the waters of Baptism.. The Groom (Jesus) sends the Gift the Holy Spirit! Thus re-Formed by "Water and Spirit NOT... NOT Spirit alone!
John 3:5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.

Acts 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Back to John 3..... Jesus is still talking to Nicodemus at John 3:16... "Believing in Jesus is believing the words of Jesus!" Nicodemus All who believe me will have eternal life! THEN after he is finished telling Nicodemus the importance of baptism he goes out and baptizes!
ben d you can't be a believer of Jesus and reject the words of Jesus! water and the Spirit.

John 3:22 After this, Jesus and his disciples went out into the Judean countryside, where he spent some time with them, and baptized. 23 Now John also was baptizing at Aenon near Salim, because there was plenty of water, and people were coming and being baptized.

ben d Question WHY...
Why were they baptizing at Aenon near Salim?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

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ben d Hello again... The Holy Spirit is Guiding the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church FOREVR!

John 14:16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever—
ben d this means the Holy Spirit is still with the Body of Jesus today "Forever" means the Holy Spirit will never leave!

John 16:13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.
ben d The Holy Church Jesus established on ROCK (not sand) will never fail! The Holy Spirit is the GUIDE.. Guiding FOREVER into all truth!

Luke 10:16 “Whoever listens to you listens to me; whoever rejects you rejects me; but whoever rejects me rejects him who sent me.”
ben d This means rejecting the Holy Catholic Church you reject God! rejects him who sent me

To be Born of Spirit you MUST be baptized!
The Holy Bride removes the stain of sin by the waters of Baptism.. The Groom (Jesus) sends the Gift the Holy Spirit! Thus re-Formed by "Water and Spirit NOT... NOT Spirit alone!
John 3:5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.

Acts 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Back to John 3..... Jesus is still talking to Nicodemus at John 3:16... "Believing in Jesus is believing the words of Jesus!" Nicodemus All who believe me will have eternal life! THEN after he is finished telling Nicodemus the importance of baptism he goes out and baptizes!
ben d you can't be a believer of Jesus and reject the words of Jesus! water and the Spirit.

John 3:22 After this, Jesus and his disciples went out into the Judean countryside, where he spent some time with them, and baptized. 23 Now John also was baptizing at Aenon near Salim, because there was plenty of water, and people were coming and being baptized.

ben d Question WHY...
Why were they baptizing at Aenon near Salim?

You seem to have ignored my point about serving two masters, if the Pope and Church are proactively serving the UN created Climate Change agenda, what about the goal of eternal spiritual for adherents?

The digression to focus on water does not change the fact, that flesh is designed to die, you can not serve two masters without serving one second best, God looks after His physical creation as He sees appropriate, humans die, planets die, even stars die, but that which is one with the Holy Spirit has ever lasting life. Which master does the wise soul choose?

 

[Dogknox20]

You seem to have ignored my point about serving two masters, if the Pope and Church are proactively serving the UN created Climate Change agenda, what about the goal of eternal spiritual for adherents?

The digression to focus on water does not change the fact, that flesh is designed to die, you can not serve two masters without serving one second best, God looks after His physical creation as He sees appropriate, humans die, planets die, even stars die, but that which is one with the Holy Spirit has ever lasting life. Which master does the wise soul choose?

Hello ben d.. Yes all things come to an end except the spiritual!
We are alive on earth.. Living flesh yes we will die.. but what good does it do to nourish the soul when the body is starving! We have to feed both!

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Hello ben d.. Yes all things come to an end except the spiritual!
We are alive on earth.. Living flesh yes we will die.. but what good does it do to nourish the soul when the body is starving! We have to feed both!

As I said above my friend Dogknox20, God looks after His creation, I refer you to Luke 12:29-31 And do not set your heart on what you will eat or drink; do not worry about it. For the pagan world runs after all such things, and your Father knows that you need them. But seek his kingdom, and these things will be given to you as well.

 

[Dogknox20]

As I said above my friend Dogknox20, God looks after His creation, I refer you to Luke 12:29-31 And do not set your heart on what you will eat or drink; do not worry about it. For the pagan world runs after all such things, and your Father knows that you need them. But seek his kingdom, and these things will be given to you as well.

Hello ben d I hope all is well...
I reply.. YES right on... seek out truth! Jesus is "The Truth!" John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”

All IMMERSED into the risen Body of Jesus will never die! This is the truth!
Baptism IMMERSES us into the risen Body of Jesus! "Disciples" are made by Baptism! "Go make Disciples of all nations BAPTIZING!"
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"Pointing at his disciples Jesus said "Here are my brothers"! CLEARLY...

ben d clearly if Jesus is your brother then God would be your father! If God was your Father then you would be IN the Holy Family of God!
If Jesus was your Brother and God your Father then Mary would be your Mother!
ben d Disciples are made by BAPTISM!

Acts 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
NOTE: Jesus sends the GIFT.. The Holy Spirit! The Holy Church "The Bride" re-Forms Adams children into God' by the waters of Baptism! Truly re-Formed Re-Born by Water & Spirit! NOT...
Not Spirit alone!

ben d Peter pleads.. "Be SAVED be BAPTIZED"!
Acts 2:40 With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” 41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.

3000 were ADDED to the risen Body of Jesus the first day of Pentecost!
3000 were SAVED! 3000 were Made God' children, 3000 were made Disciples! 3000 then call Jesus brother!
3000 will have eternal life IF they stay UNITED to Jesus and his risen can't die body!
ben d Baptism ADDS us to the risen body of Jesus communion KEEPS US IN Jesus can't die body!

53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Hello ben d I hope all is well...
I reply.. YES right on... seek out truth! Jesus is "The Truth!" John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”

All IMMERSED into the risen Body of Jesus will never die! This is the truth!
Baptism IMMERSES us into the risen Body of Jesus! "Disciples" are made by Baptism! "Go make Disciples of all nations BAPTIZING!"
&
"Pointing at his disciples Jesus said "Here are my brothers"! CLEARLY...

ben d clearly if Jesus is your brother then God would be your father! If God was your Father then you would be IN the Holy Family of God!
If Jesus was your Brother and God your Father then Mary would be your Mother!
ben d Disciples are made by BAPTISM!

Acts 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
NOTE: Jesus sends the GIFT.. The Holy Spirit! The Holy Church "The Bride" re-Forms Adams children into God' by the waters of Baptism! Truly re-Formed Re-Born by Water & Spirit! NOT...
Not Spirit alone!

ben d Peter pleads.. "Be SAVED be BAPTIZED"!
Acts 2:40 With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” 41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.

3000 were ADDED to the risen Body of Jesus the first day of Pentecost!
3000 were SAVED! 3000 were Made God' children, 3000 were made Disciples! 3000 then call Jesus brother!
3000 will have eternal life IF they stay UNITED to Jesus and his risen can't die body!
ben d Baptism ADDS us to the risen body of Jesus communion KEEPS US IN Jesus can't die body!

53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them.

Dear Dogknox20, I have not been questing baptism, my point has been that this pope appears to be more concerned about the world's physical state than its spiritual. This is precisely the warning Jesus gave about the error of trying to serve two masters.

I think I have made that point and I am not intending to belabor it. I understand that you are loyal to the Catholic Church, and that is fine, but your ultimate destiny will be determined by your own relationship with God rather than your loyalty to the Church.

I might also say that it is my understanding that this principle applies to all souls, even those who belong to religious institutions which one may deem to hold some erroneous beliefs, so long as they love God above all else, they will realize salvation.

 

[Dogknox20]

Dear Dogknox20, I have not been questing baptism, my point has been that this pope appears to be more concerned about the world's physical state than its spiritual. This is precisely the warning Jesus gave about the error of trying to serve two masters.

I think I have made that point and I am not intending to belabor it. I understand that you are loyal to the Catholic Church, and that is fine, but your ultimate destiny will be determined by your own relationship with God rather than your loyalty to the Church.

I might also say that it is my understanding that this principle applies to all souls, even those who belong to religious institutions which one may deem to hold some erroneous beliefs, so long as they love God above all else, they will realize salvation.

ben d... I agree.. The Catholic Church is very explicit.. All can enter heaven Don't have to be Catholic to enter heaven! The Catholic Church has the fulness of the TRUTH! IF...

ben d if a person knowing the truth rejects the truth then they are lost.. "The unforgivable sin"!

Your question about "The Church NOT doing enough" is an OPINION! Your opinion..! Do you want scripture? The Pope is the vicar of Christ on earth.. He is Jesus' voice when it comes to Faith and Morals!
In the Old Testament the Prophet was the Voice of God! The priests were the hands of God! Moses was a Prophet he spoke for God!
The Pope in the New Testament is the Voice of Jesus!

Luke 10:16 “Whoever listens to you listens to me; whoever rejects you rejects me; but whoever rejects me rejects him who sent me.”
ben d "Listen to the Church or be treated as a pagan" a pagan is a person outside of God' family!

The Pope is serving Jesus he speaks up for the weak! He speaks up about the evils of Abortion
He speaks up about the evils of Secularism!

 

[Ben Dhyan]

ben d... I agree.. The Catholic Church is very explicit.. All can enter heaven Don't have to be Catholic to enter heaven! The Catholic Church has the fulness of the TRUTH! IF...

ben d if a person knowing the truth rejects the truth then they are lost.. "The unforgivable sin"!

Your question about "The Church NOT doing enough" is an OPINION! Your opinion..! Do you want scripture? The Pope is the vicar of Christ on earth.. He is Jesus' voice when it comes to Faith and Morals!
In the Old Testament the Prophet was the Voice of God! The priests were the hands of God! Moses was a Prophet he spoke for God!
The Pope in the New Testament is the Voice of Jesus!

Luke 10:16 “Whoever listens to you listens to me; whoever rejects you rejects me; but whoever rejects me rejects him who sent me.”
ben d "Listen to the Church or be treated as a pagan" a pagan is a person outside of God' family!

The Pope is serving Jesus he speaks up for the weak! He speaks up about the evils of Abortion
He speaks up about the evils of Secularism!

So we can agree all souls, regardless of their affiliated religious institution, have the potential to realize Heaven, be as loyal as you like to your Church, God blessings go with you..