John Lennon's Imagine

[gnostic]

What do people think we they hear John Lennon's song - Imagine?

Here is Lennon's lyric.

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

Can there be peace and fellowship for all, without religion or politics?

It does seem to be only a dream. But has religion really help?

The second verse does strike a chord. Religion has kept us divided, and there have been killing in the name of religion and people dying for religion, just as much for political reason.

Has religion made the world a better place?

 

[kai]

religion has been a blight on humanity from the word go , if an outside force wanted to disrupt human phsycological/mental,scientific,evolution what better way than to implant superstition into the human species, you could almost think the devil did it!

 

[Djamila]

The communist manifesto, that song.

 

[gnostic]

The communist manifesto, that song.

Even Communism is too political. Communism doesn't even come close to unify people together.

 

[Djamila]

Just the opposite, actually. A pure communist state wouldn't exist, it would have no government or political institutions.

 

[kai]

Even Communism is too political. Communism doesn't even come close to unify people together.

although communism wished to destroy religion dont you think it almost became one?

 

[Ody]

Just the opposite, actually. A pure communist state wouldn't exist, it would have no government or political institutions.

Once you attained the state of Communism...

 

[Djamila]

Once you attained the state of Communism...

You say that like you're correcting me?

 

[Ody]

You say that like you're correcting me?

Clarifying (sp).

 

[Djamila]

Clarifying how? When I did contradict what you repeated?

 

[Buttercup]

Can there be peace and fellowship for all, without religion or politics?

I generally give the same response to questions of this nature. If the world existed without religion, there would still be tribal wars, territorial wars, wars over possessions between the haves and have nots and wars over words spoken that inflame. Man is a war beast.....there's no getting around it, unfortunately. Sooner or later and for myriad reasons, men will hate and kill each other.

 

[Ody]

Clarifying how? When I did contradict what you repeated?

A state that is moving to Communism is following the Communist ideology 'purely'.

 

[kai]

i dont think a true communist state was ever achieved george Orwells "animal farm" springs to mind

 

[Djamila]

Okay, thanks. Now answer the question I actually asked? When I say otherwise?

 

[Djamila]

A communist state is an oxymoron to begin with, so obviously it has never been achieved. The Yugoslav zadruga system came close, but these were isolated communes that were still part of an overall, socialist-dictatorship state - so, they don't count.

 

[kai]

I generally give the same response to questions of this nature. If the world existed without religion, there would still be tribal wars, territorial wars, wars over possessions between the haves and have nots and wars over words spoken that inflame. Man is a war beast.....there's no getting around it, unfortunately. Sooner or later and for myriad reasons, men will hate and kill each other.

yes but territory, possesions , gold ,oil all make some kind of sense . but religion is completely irrational

 

[gnomon]

I generally give the same response to questions of this nature. If the world existed without religion, there would still be tribal wars, territorial wars, wars over possessions between the haves and have nots and wars over words spoken that inflame. Man is a war beast.....there's no getting around it, unfortunately. Sooner or later and for myriad reasons, men will hate and kill each other.

I agree, somewhat. I think people often miss that religion is just one facet of culture and it is often minute and ridiculous cultural differences (as well as greed, lust for power, etc.) that drive conflict.

I'm so happy that here in the states we bicker about Republicans and Democrats as opposed to the Hatfields and McCoys, figuratively speaking.

 

[Ody]

i dont think a true communist state was ever achieved george Orwells "animal farm" springs to mind

Groups like the Spartacists gave communists the best hope, as did others like the POUM, Communism that was dedicated to the realization of the dream was never truely succesful in maintaining revolutionary discipline or military combat.

 

[Buttercup]

yes but territory, possesions , gold ,oil all make some kind of sense . but religion is completely irrational

Good grief...you think it makes sense to kill over oil? I think almost any reason to kill is irrational except in self defense.

 

[kai]

Good grief...you think it makes sense to kill over oil? I think almost any reason to kill is irrational except in self defense.

look at what i said again , and why pick oil ? oil and gold are just money in a nother form, these are real things tangible to fight a war for a particular religious belief system is not rational