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John Macarthur opens church

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Not so much in countries where the governments actually support their citizens. ;)
By taxing them more? (eventually)... Somebody is paying for it... and printing more money is not the answer. (not to mention that even those countries are beginning to feel the back-lash
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
I weathered it just fine. My only concern and issue was finding a bottle of butane to refill my torch lighter so I could keep using cannabis extracts.
Also a short bout of the stores having not much food but the junkiest of junk. But it was short lived amd I still had food.
I glad you did... but the person who lost their job may not find your position as heartwarming.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
By taxing them more? (eventually)... Somebody is paying for it... and printing more money is not the answer. (not to mention that even those countries are beginning to feel the back-lash
Well, pretty much every country is doing better than the US, at this point. :shrug:

Canadians are taxed pretty much on par with Americans, and we get more bang for our buck, like universal healthcare which every other developed country in the world has, save for the US. ( I often wonder how Americans who don't have health insurance are going to pay for a COVID hospitalization, should the need arise).

Americans have this strange idea that we give half our pay cheques in taxes or something that simply isn't true.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Well, pretty much every country is doing better than the US, at this point. :shrug:

Canadians are taxed pretty much on par with Americans, and we get more bang for our buck, like universal healthcare which every other developed country in the world has, save for the US. ( I often wonder how Americans who don't have health insurance are going to pay for a COVID hospitalization, should the need arise).

Americans have this strange idea that we give half our pay cheques in taxes or something that simply isn't true.
In an emergency, everybody can and will get treatment.

But global statements are always globally wrong.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Well, pretty much every country is doing better than the US, at this point. :shrug:

Canadians are taxed pretty much on par with Americans, and we get more bang for our buck, like universal healthcare which every other developed country in the world has, save for the US. ( I often wonder how Americans who don't have health insurance are going to pay for a COVID hospitalization, should the need arise).

Americans have this strange idea that we give half our pay cheques in taxes or something that simply isn't true.
As someone who has spent gobs of time in Canada [and we almost moved there in the 1970's], at least in large part because it's only a 20 minute drive from where we live, your statement above is spot-on. Even though it's far from being a perfect system, whatever that might be, I much prefer yours over what we have here in the States.
 

dad

Undefeated
As they have learned more about this new virus based on studies, some adjustments had to be made, which is how science actually works.

Pro-Life is about life, thus not just about abortion.

You have misrepresented what your own article says. The study was based on the percent of prevention, thus not concluding that there was none.
It boils down to trust. Not like they were born yesterday. The deception about masks was deliberate as the real reason was not that good masks did no good. The issue is that they wanted the masks for themselves basically.
 

dad

Undefeated
Correct.

Many Dems feel that abortion is wrong but they are not willing to force a woman in a democracy to not do something that's within her own body, especially since it would go against what the majority of Americans polled say they don't want the government to do, and one of those is Chief Justice Roberts, who's a pro-life Catholic.

Thus, do you actually believe in democracy or do you want an theocracy based on your church's wishes?
So whatever the inner turmoil they may or may not feel, bottom line is that they support killing babies.
 

dad

Undefeated
Babies are human beings that have been born into the world.
If millions of people are sacrificing babies every year, they should be arrested and jailed.

Why do you keep trying to change the subject to abortion? This thread is about COVID and churches.
Your attempt to define your victims is noted. Too bad that God does not agree.
 

dad

Undefeated
They reduce the spread of this infectious disease, along with social distancing, hand washing and other safety measures.

I always wear a surgical mask.
Great, keep up the good work and wear it while eating if you like. I am not one to suggest we have no choice.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
It boils down to trust. Not like they were born yesterday. The deception about masks was deliberate as the real reason was not that good masks did no good. The issue is that they wanted the masks for themselves basically.
Evidence for that?
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
So whatever the inner turmoil they may or may not feel, bottom line is that they support killing babies.
Overstated, and you still avoid the issues of whether we are to have a democracy plus why you appear to ignore other pro-life issues. You can't have it both ways.

Even groups like Right To Life are not all on the same page because some say abortions should be allowed in rape cases, some in incest cases, and some with both. So, of the roughly 30% of Americans who say they would like to reverse Roe v Wade, they're split on what then should or shouldn't be allowed.
 
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SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
In an emergency, everybody can and will get treatment.
And a huge bill.
Which is what I was getting at.


But global statements are always globally wrong.


If you're taking issue with my statement that "Americans have this strange idea that we give half our pay cheques in taxes or something that simply isn't true", that was confirmed by the post you wrote, to which I was responding. ;) I've seen this claim a zillion times.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Your attempt to define your victims is noted.
What?

Too bad that God does not agree.
Sorry but I find it bizarrely funny when people try to tell me what god(s) think. As if they know.

Something like 1 in 4 pregnancies end in miscarriage, or spontaneous abortion, so it would seem that this god you speak of isn't as concerned about dead fetuses as you would have us believe. :shrug:
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Great, keep up the good work and wear it while eating if you like. I am not one to suggest we have no choice.
If you care about other people on the planet, and if you care about being a decent member of a community, you'd do a simple thing like wear a mask around other people.
It's not the big sacrifice that it's made out to be.

Man oh man, I can only imagine how pathetic our current society would have been during WWII when people had to make actual sacrifices for like 6 years. We would have all gotten tired of it and lost the war. Human beings need to buck up a bit and stop being such entitled babies. You're being asked to wear a mask, not cut your arm off.
 

dad

Undefeated
Evidence for that?
"WHO, like all agencies, also says medical masks should be reserved for healthcare workers and the use of medical masks in the community may create a false sense of security, with the neglect of other essential measures, including hand washing and social distancing. It may also lead to touching the face under the mask or under the eyes and isn't cost efficient for the community while taking needed masks from medical professionals."

WHO and CDC have conflicting advice about public wearing masks during COVID-19 pandemic
 

dad

Undefeated
Overstated, and you still avoid the issues of whether we are to have a democracy plus why you appear to ignore other pro-life issues. You can't have it both ways.

Even groups like Right To Life are not all on the same page because some say abortions should be allowed in rape cases, some in incest cases, and some with both. So, of the roughly 30% of Americans who say they would like to reverse Roe v Wade, they're split on what then should or shouldn't be allowed.
A democracy never used to mean killing 40 million babies a year.
 
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