Jordan Peters on "One night stand" people (60s)

[LuisDantas]

No one should take Jordan Peterson seriously, least of all himself.

 

[icehorse]

Jordan Peters on "One night stand" people (60s)

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can you summarize his claims?

 

[stvdv]

can you summarize his claims?

I could, but I selected a 60sec fragment, hence I did not summarize his claims (those who are interested to hear his view on this, only need to listen for 60sec, and those who rather not waste 60sec, well they can skip it altogether). If it's more than 3min I usually narrow it down.

And I think it's always best to hear it from the man himself; I prefer first hand info.

 

[JIMMY12345]

Jordan Peters on "One night stand" people (60s)

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In USA everyone has the right to liberty and free speech..What people do is their own business,

 

[☆Dreamwind☆]

One night stands are fun
One night stands are good
Have a one night stand?
If you want to
You should!

 

[Shadow Wolf]

One night stands are fun
One night stands are good
Have a one night stand?
If you want to
You should!

Psychopath!

 

[☆Dreamwind☆]

Psychopath!

 

[JIMMY12345]

I've met the guy and think that comparing him to Doctor Phil is an insult to Doctor Phil.

I strongly suspect most men and women when they get to 60.

Will love to get in book - with a good book!

 

[Firenze]

After my 2nd failed marriage, I had an interesting conversation with my oldest daughter, who BTW is the only religious person in our immediate family. I told her that although I enjoy the carnal company and human contact of a woman, I no longer had any real interest in a traditional, live together, long term relationship - since I obviously suk at it. She quite surprisingly offered the following advice : “Dad, just visit an escort from time to time. Good sex, younger women, no hassle, and go home.”
Who knew such a lifestyle would make one a sociopathic, narcissistic Machiavellian?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

When people get paid to talk, they never seem to shut up.

Of course one night stands are dangerous. So is drinking alcohol, taking recreational drugs, listening to loud music, and dressing lewdly in public. But certain personalities are drawn to these things. Like mountain climbers to the conquest of fear. I would not want anything to do with these, but I am not the yardstick by which anyone else should be governed. Peterson seems to think that he is.

I like this post

 

[Twilight Hue]

Well. You know what they say about genius and madness.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Jordan Peters on "One night stand" people (60s)

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I agree with him. I have never met a promiscuous person who wasn't messed up in the head. It's unhealthy behavior in the first place. Any honest doctor will tell you that.

 

[PureX]

I agree with him. I have never met a promiscuous person who wasn't messed up in the head. It's unhealthy behavior in the first place. Any honest doctor will tell you that.

I have known some “promiscuous” folks that were very intelligent, well adjusted, and self aware. They were also mindful not to cause others any undue harm. They engaged in a lifestyle that was not for me, but I appreciate having known them because it made me recognize and accept that we are all different, and those differences don’t make us better or worse people. It’s how we express them in the world and to each other that decide that. At least that’s how it looks to me.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I have known some “promiscuous” folks that were very intelligent, well adjusted, and self aware. They were also mindful not to cause others any undue harm. They engaged in a lifestyle that was not for me, but I appreciate having known them because it made me recognize and accept that we are all different, and those differences don’t make us better or worse people. It’s how we express them in the world and to each other that decide that. At least that’s how it looks to me.

Engaging in sexual activity with numerous partners is not a marker of a well-adjusted person. Plus, the high risks of STDs and unwanted pregnancy. Condoms break and birth control fails, too. Better to have that happen in a committed relationship, than some one night stand where you never see each other again. Sex is not a recreational sport. People can be functioning alcoholics and drug addicts, too. Doesn't mean the behavior is healthy or good in some way.

It's ironic how you defend this when you rage against prostitution. It's the same thing, minus the money. It's just people using each other to get off, like objects.

 

[PureX]

Engaging in sexual activity with numerous partners is not a marker of a well-adjusted person.

How do you reason that?

Plus, the high risks of STDs and unwanted pregnancy.

All interactive human behavior will involve some risk. But we learn to mitigate the risk for the sake of the interaction. Or we don’t. There is no logical correlative here, that I can see.

Condoms break and birth control fails, too. Better to have that happen in a committed relationship, than some one night stand where you never see each other again. Sex is not a recreational sport. People can be functioning alcoholics and drug addicts, too. Doesn't mean the behavior is healthy or good in some way.

People also drive motor vehicles that can malfunction and cause injury and death. But we take that risk because we want that mobility. And we mitigate that risk according to our ability and our individual nature. Are you suggesting that driving motor vehicles indicate some sort of moral or intellectual human failure?

It's ironic how you defend this when you rage against prostitution. It's the same thing, minus the money. It's just people using each other to get off, like objects.

I don’t object to prostitution because people are having sexual relations with each other. I object to people engaging in sexual activity for money. Because that is a toxic motive that poisons the human interaction and harms everyone involved.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

How do you reason that?

Because promiscuity is not healthy behavior and bad for society, too. This behavior doesn't even only affect those immediately involved. Those people they're sleeping with are usually sleeping with other people, too. The more people in the mix, the higher the chance of catching something. It's like how they say when you're sleeping with someone, you're sleeping with everyone else they've slept with. Even besides disease and pregnancy, there's the psychological aspect to it, which is often harmful. If it's not caused by some sort of maladjustment or trauma, there's also sex addiction.

I honestly don't understand why I have to explain what should be obvious. It's just not something we as a society should encourage.

All interactive human behavior will involve some risk. But we learn to mitigate the risk for the sake of the interaction. Or we don’t. There is no logical correlative here, that I can see.

What? There's no logical correlation between much higher risks of disease and unwanted pregnancy and promiscuity? I don't know what logic you're using but it must be a special kind.

People also drive motor vehicles that can malfunction and cause injury and death. But we take that risk because we want that mobility. And we mitigate that risk according to our ability and our individual nature. Are you suggesting that driving motor vehicles indicate some sort of moral or intellectual human failure?

That makes no sense. The two are not alike at all. See my comparison to a functioning alcoholic or drug addict.

I don’t object to prostitution because people are having sexual relations with each other. I object to people engaging in sexual activity for money. Because that is a toxic motive that poisons the human interaction and harms everyone involved.

Money isn't some magical thing where its presence or absence determines the goodness of healthfulness of a situation or behavior. To be honest, prostitution is more honest because it's obvious what the deal is. Regardless of money, it's the same actions - people who do not share a bond or real love for each other using each other for sex.

 

[PureX]

Because promiscuity is not healthy behavior and bad for society, too. This behavior doesn't even only affect those immediately involved. Those people they're sleeping with are usually sleeping with other people, too. The more people in the mix, the higher the chance of catching something. It's like how they say when you're sleeping with someone, you're sleeping with everyone else they've slept with. Even besides disease and pregnancy, there's the psychological aspect to it, which is often harmful. If it's not caused by some sort of maladjustment or trauma, there's also sex addiction.

I honestly don't understand why I have to explain what should be obvious. It's just not something we as a society should encourage.

What? There's no logical correlation between much higher risks of disease and unwanted pregnancy and promiscuity? I don't know what logic you're using but it must be a special kind.

That makes no sense. The two are not alike at all. See my comparison to a functioning alcoholic or drug addict.

Money isn't some magical thing where its presence or absence determines the goodness of healthfulness of a situation or behavior. To be honest, prostitution is more honest because it's obvious what the deal is. Regardless of money, it's the same actions - people who do not share a bond or real love for each other using each other for sex.

You are trying to correlate risk with irresponsibility. But everything in life involves risk, even our doing nothing still comes with risk. So whether or not, or however much, or in what ways we try to mitigate these risks, we cannot be held directly responsible for a negative outcome. Such outcomes are omnipresent, and unforeseeable. So our efforts in anticipating and avoiding them are not directly related to whether or not we succeed at avoiding them.

I know we humans really like to imagine that we can control our fate via our intelligence and wisdom, but in reality all we can do is try, and understand that we will fail as often as not.

 

[icehorse]

No one should take Jordan Peterson seriously, least of all himself.

I first heard of JP when he was concerned about compelled speech. I think his concerns about compelled speech are coming true. Other than that, I mostly disagree with him.

With that said, I see a lot of people who make the mistake of conflating an idea with the person who speaks the idea. On RF, you'd make a lot o' money if you earned a dollar for every time a poster said something like:

"Idea X is a ______-wing talking point". As if that in any way a useful assessment of the idea.

 

[Alien826]

I've had a life-long and very distressing problem with one night stands.

I can't get any!

 

[Soandso]

I've had a life-long and very distressing problem with one night stands.

I can't get any!

You aren't missing much