• Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

Journalist Walks in Paris Dressed as a Religious Jew

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Pick what is most comforting in the end or trust your gut.
I choose to believe my observations (Muslim terrorists just do not make the news, except rarely, for causing an attack in America), I will go with my observations (I have known several Muslims, none of them violent are wishing harm upon others), and I will go with hard statistics, which shows that, in America, just about anything and everything you can think of poses a greater threat than Muslim terrorists. Even uncommon "freak" accidents/happenings like a shark attack pose a much greater risk than a Muslim terrorist attack. The increase in the murder rate where I live is a far greater danger than Muslim terrorists. In America, your fellow Americans pose a much greater threat than Muslim terrorists.
 

Simplelogic

Well-Known Member
The FBI's statistics report Jewish terrorists have conducted more attacks, in America, than Muslim terrorists (it's not by much though).

This is complete BS. Unless the FBI is redefining terrorism. I have worked with the FBI many times and find it to be a largely inept organization. Especially when it comes to defining terrorism. I mean come on. CAIR (Council of American Islamic relations) are the ones who drafted the FBI's current policies on in Muslim interrogations. CAIR is an open supporter of Hamas btw.
 

dantech

Well-Known Member
I choose to believe my observations (Muslim terrorists just do not make the news, except rarely, for causing an attack in America), I will go with my observations (I have known several Muslims, none of them violent are wishing harm upon others), and I will go with hard statistics, which shows that, in America, just about anything and everything you can think of poses a greater threat than Muslim terrorists. Even uncommon "freak" accidents/happenings like a shark attack pose a much greater risk than a Muslim terrorist attack. The increase in the murder rate where I live is a far greater danger than Muslim terrorists. In America, your fellow Americans pose a much greater threat than Muslim terrorists.
You say you go with hard statistics. Can you show me these statistics, I'd be curious to see which study shows that Muslim terrorist attacks aren't that big of a risk. Also, how much does this risk grow if you are the target (Jewish)?
 

Simplelogic

Well-Known Member
As for us muslims, we feel that treason has been committed by the jews supporting zionist state. Because jews were protected and welcomed when they sought refugee during the age of persecuation by christians.
It reminds me of the jews conspiring with the polytheists against the muslims in Madina.
And as Allah says those who hate the believers the most are most of jews (The good jews are minority, unfortunately)and the idolworshippers. This verse is fact when u see the hostilities of the zionists and the hindus/buddhists(india, burma).

You are very uneducated on what actually happened in Palestine. Arabs had turned that place into a garbage dump before the Jews began to resettle those areas and make them fit for living. Few Arabs even lived in the region until Jews started to cultivate it again. Jews were immigrating back to the region for MANY years BEFORE the Shoah (holocaust). They weren't even contested in most areas because Arabs had little interest in Palestine until Jews moved in and actually made it worth living in!

I appreciate that you are willing to admit that you believe "the good jews are the minority". Basically you are admitting your true hatred for most Jews. I'm not surprised in the slightest, considering your "prophet" basically commands it.
 

Simplelogic

Well-Known Member
You say you go with hard statistics. Can you show me these statistics, I'd be curious to see which study shows that Muslim terrorist attacks aren't that big of a risk. Also, how much does this risk grow if you are the target (Jewish)?
I doubt he will actually show the "statistics" he claims. Islam is the source for over 98% of violent acts carried out in the name of religion today.
 

Simplelogic

Well-Known Member
You drew the direct line from the Israeli-Arab conflict to attacks against Jews who don't even live in Israel.
Do you understand how dangerous this kind of thinking is?
Unfortunately, the Hamas charter is poised against Jews (worldwide). So it doesn't matter really if you have any affiliation with Israel itself. Here are a couple snippets from the eloquently written charter of Hamas:

"Ye are the best nation that hath been raised up unto mankind: ye command that which is just, and ye forbid that which is unjust, and ye believe in Allah. And if they who have received the scriptures had believed, it had surely been the better for them: there are believers among them, but the greater part of them are transgressors. They shall not hurt you, unless with a slight hurt; and if they fight against you, they shall turn their backs to you, and they shall not be helped. They are smitten with vileness wheresoever they are found; unless they obtain security by entering into a treaty with Allah, and a treaty with men; and they draw on themselves indignation from Allah, and they are afflicted with poverty. This they suffer, because they disbelieved the signs of Allah, and slew the prophets unjustly; this, because they were rebellious, and transgressed." (Al-Imran - verses 109-111).

Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).
 

JRMcC

Active Member
Is this question supposed to be a joke?

No it's serious. I'm wondering what you think. I know one Jewish guy who's in rabbinical school right now who doesn't support Israel's let's say controversial actions. I can think of another that I'm not sure about. Aside from that my experience has been that Jews I know in real life support what Israel does and they usually use similar rhetoric to support their position. Ex. We gave Gaza aid and they used it to attack us. But this is only the experience of one person in the American northeast.

Online is a tough one because you obviously don't know who is Jewish and who's not. But I've posted anti-gaza war things on my facebook account before and I've been defriended and argued with, not just by some of my Jewish facebook friends, but by their Jewish facebook friends who went out of their way to argue with someone they don't even know. On this site I don't know. Perhaps there are several Jews here who oppose Israel's controversial actions, but I haven't seen them posting about it or arguing about it here. I have, however, seen Jewish members get very defensive about criticism of Israel.

So let me know what you think the probability that a given western Jew supports Israel's actions. My experience leads me to this position: If a black person is heckled for liking grape soda, that's just ridiculous and stupid racism because there's no correlation between those two things. But if a person chants "Viva Palestine" at a Jew who they assume support's Israel's gaza wars, uhh well the probability that they're right has to be at least somewhere around 50%.
 

Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
When I was fifteen some kid spit on my back while I was eating in the school cafeteria. I let it go only because at the time I believed in 'Turning the other cheek' no matter what. That was based upon a misunderstanding that I had, that I had to put up with some jerk doing that. Now where is the jerk today, and who else has he harmed? Maybe I should have knocked him out cold.
 

Simplelogic

Well-Known Member
No it's serious. I'm wondering what you think. I know one Jewish guy who's in rabbinical school right now who doesn't support Israel's let's say controversial actions. I can think of another that I'm not sure about. Aside from that my experience has been that Jews I know in real life support what Israel does and they usually use similar rhetoric to support their position. Ex. We gave Gaza aid and they used it to attack us. But this is only the experience of one person in the American northeast.

Online is a tough one because you obviously don't know who is Jewish and who's not. But I've posted anti-gaza war things on my facebook account before and I've been defriended and argued with, not just by some of my Jewish facebook friends, but by their Jewish facebook friends who went out of their way to argue with someone they don't even know. On this site I don't know. Perhaps there are several Jews here who oppose Israel's controversial actions, but I haven't seen them posting about it or arguing about it here. I have, however, seen Jewish members get very defensive about criticism of Israel.

So let me know what you think the probability that a given western Jew supports Israel's actions. My experience leads me to this position: If a black person is heckled for liking grape soda, that's just ridiculous and stupid racism because there's no correlation between those two things. But if a person chants "Viva Palestine" at a Jew who they assume support's Israel's gaza wars, uhh well the probability that they're right has to be at least somewhere around 50%.
Of course no nation is above reproach. Israel included. However you don't seem to be grasping the violent aggression which Israelis live with on a daily basis. This is the type of mindset which the Israelis are dealing with when it comes to the current mindset of Palestinians:


This show is aired throughout the Palestinian territories. You tell me how to deal with a mindset that is this evil and pervasive.
 

Simplelogic

Well-Known Member
When I was fifteen some kid spit on my back while I was eating in the school cafeteria. I let it go only because at the time I believed in 'Turning the other cheek' no matter what. That was based upon a misunderstanding that I had, that I had to put up with some jerk doing that. Now where is the jerk today, and who else has he harmed? Maybe I should have knocked him out cold.
Agreed. Jesus was certainly NOT a pacifist. This verse is in reference to religious/political enemies. Not a bully trying to harm somebody. You should have knocked him out IF he was threatening you harm imho. I also believe the world needs more men who are willing to respond to evil, even violently when innocent people are at stake.
 

JRMcC

Active Member
Of course no nation is above reproach. Israel included. However you don't seem to be grasping the violent aggression which Israelis live with on a daily basis. This is the type of mindset which the Israelis are dealing with when it comes to the current mindset of Palestinians:


This show is aired throughout the Palestinian territories. You tell me how to deal with a mindset that is this evil and pervasive.

I have seen this before, actually. It's things like this that make me wonder if the conflict can ever be solved. My hope would be that hatred like this can be brought down over time if the right things happen. But this would require both sides to make serious compromises and that doesn't seem too likely to happen.

At the moment I'm more interested in establishing that a majority of Jews support the gaza wars because I think it's important to separate raw antisemitism from anger towards the Jewish world that might have a political motivation.
 

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
You know even if every single Jew supports what Israel supposedly does it gives no one the right to attack them because of it.

Why? Because they didn't do it...
 
  • Like
Reactions: gsa

Simplelogic

Well-Known Member
I have seen this before, actually. It's things like this that make me wonder if the conflict can ever be solved. My hope would be that hatred like this can be brought down over time if the right things happen. But this would require both sides to make serious compromises and that doesn't seem too likely to happen.

At the moment I'm more interested in establishing that a majority of Jews support the gaza wars because I think it's important to separate raw antisemitism from anger towards the Jewish world that might have a political motivation.
The point here is that Jew hatred is taught from a young age. It also has direct and clear support from the Islamic texts. This is the true heart of the problem. Not the Israel/Palestinian "conflict".
 

gsa

Well-Known Member
No it's serious. I'm wondering what you think. I know one Jewish guy who's in rabbinical school right now who doesn't support Israel's let's say controversial actions. I can think of another that I'm not sure about. Aside from that my experience has been that Jews I know in real life support what Israel does and they usually use similar rhetoric to support their position. Ex. We gave Gaza aid and they used it to attack us. But this is only the experience of one person in the American northeast.

Online is a tough one because you obviously don't know who is Jewish and who's not. But I've posted anti-gaza war things on my facebook account before and I've been defriended and argued with, not just by some of my Jewish facebook friends, but by their Jewish facebook friends who went out of their way to argue with someone they don't even know. On this site I don't know. Perhaps there are several Jews here who oppose Israel's controversial actions, but I haven't seen them posting about it or arguing about it here. I have, however, seen Jewish members get very defensive about criticism of Israel.

So let me know what you think the probability that a given western Jew supports Israel's actions. My experience leads me to this position: If a black person is heckled for liking grape soda, that's just ridiculous and stupid racism because there's no correlation between those two things. But if a person chants "Viva Palestine" at a Jew who they assume support's Israel's gaza wars, uhh well the probability that they're right has to be at least somewhere around 50%.

There are lots and lots of Jews who do not support Israel's actions, particularly in the OT. That said, I don't think that they necessarily constitute a majority of the Jewish community. But then, there are Muslims and Arabs who support Israel, even though they constitute a (presumably small) minority of the relevant population.

In my experience it also depends on how you are willing to talk about the issue. If you are shouting "Viva Palestine" at some random Jewish person on the street, you are already making some terrible assumptions about their positions on the basis of religious and ethnic affiliation. Can you imagine walking up to a Muslim randomly and shouting "Stand With Israel?" Or perhaps "Free Raif Badawi"?

In RL, I am pretty vocal about my criticism of Israel's occupation and its actions in Gaza. But I am also very careful in my word choice, and my approach.
 

Tarheeler

Argumentative Curmudgeon
Premium Member
It's pretty simple:

If you are attacking random Jews because of Israel's policies, then there is something really ****ed up with how your mind works.
If you are attacking random Muslims because you don't like Islam, there is something really ****ed up with how your mind works.
If you are attacking random _______ because you don't like ______, there is something really ****ed up with how your mind works.
 

JRMcC

Active Member
You know even if every single Jew supports what Israel supposedly does it gives no one the right to attack them because of it.

Why? Because they didn't do it...

Of course I don't endorse attacking or heckling people. I'm just saying if you're a supporter of Israel you do have something to do with it. Just like an American republican who's strongly pro war has something to do with the harm that the US has done to the middle east.
 
Top