Journalist Walks in Paris Dressed as a Religious Jew

[Flankerl]

Of course I don't endorse attacking or heckling people. I'm just saying if you're a supporter of Israel you do have something to do with it. Just like an American republican who's strongly pro war has something to do with the harm that the US has done to the middle east.

You do realise that there are Left Israelis who are supportive of Israel and yet are against certain actions by the Likud lead government.
The same is true for Jews in the Diaspora.

This doesn't work with your kind of reasoning.

 

[JRMcC]

You do realise that there are Left Israelis who are supportive of Israel and yet are against certain actions by the Likud lead government.

Yes, I said I know someone like that.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

@gsaseeker i do not know of any muslim that supports the zionists except that he/she is renegade. When u see the animosity is clear then so too the sentence on such renegade will be clear.

 

[Brickjectivity]

I have seen this before, actually. It's things like this that make me wonder if the conflict can ever be solved. My hope would be that hatred like this can be brought down over time if the right things happen. But this would require both sides to make serious compromises and that doesn't seem too likely to happen.

At the moment I'm more interested in establishing that a majority of Jews support the gaza wars because I think it's important to separate raw antisemitism from anger towards the Jewish world that might have a political motivation.

It is not a matter of sides. The man was walking through France. France. France is supposed to be the bastion of freedom. "Liberty, Fraternity, Equality" is the French motto. When you go to France you expect to see all kinds of people. Spitting on them is not OK.

 

[JRMcC]

It is not a matter of sides. The man was walking through France. France. France is supposed to be the bastion of freedom. "Liberty, Fraternity, Equality" is the French motto. When you go to France you expect to see all kinds of people. Spitting on them is not OK.

If you follow the conversation you'll see that I'm only really dealing with the "Viva Palestine" chanting.

 

[Brickjectivity]

So when someone like that sees a Jew they're thinking that that person probably supports the actions Israel has taken over the years. What do you think the probability that they're right is when they assume that?

Its about a zero percent probability when you are talking about *all* the actions Israel has taken, because from what I've seen Israel's actions are followed pretty closely and there are lots of opinions. The chance that two people will agree on all of those actions is a slim one. Anyway, its rude to pick an arbitrary person and heckle them over some opinion that they might have. Actually its intrusive to do that. Its not even your business to demand what someone thinks much less to assume to know and shout it. Honest, I can't believe that French people would be ok with that. Surely that is not acceptable behavior in France? I have never been there however.

That is where our Statue of Liberty comes from. Many of the heroes who made USA possible were French. They have a very strong tradition of freedom there or at least used to.

 

[rosends]

@gsaseeker i do not know of any muslim that supports the zionists except that he/she is renegade. When u see the animosity is clear then so too the sentence on such renegade will be clear.

You should either read the website you are familiar with the concept, or change the website so it falls in line with what you know

Muslim supporters of Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Revoltingest]

Just to toss the French a peace offering.
My favorite Frenchman (Andre The Giant)......

 

[rosends]

There seem to be other places where a Jew might not want to walk, at least in a way recognizable as a Jew.

Jews Threatened and Told To Remove 'Jewish Hats' in Copenhagen – Tablet Magazine

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Also, how much does this risk grow if you are the target (Jewish)?

They would not address such a concern as it is a total number of attacks and who done them.

I doubt he will actually show the "statistics" he claims. Islam is the source for over 98% of violent acts carried out in the name of religion today.

**** you, too! And nice "he" assumption, dumb ***.
FBI — Terrorism 2002/2005
You'll have to scroll down to the bottom for the list.
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/01/06/muslim.radicalization.study/
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/01/06/muslim.radicalization.study/
The terrorist threat posed by radicalized Muslim- Americans has been exaggerated, according to a study released Wednesday by researchers at Duke University and the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

kurzman.unc.edu/files/2011/06/Kurzman_Muslim-American_Terrorism_Since_911_An_Accounting.pdf
As shown in Figure 1, the total for 2010
suggests that the previous year may have
been more of an aberration than a trend. The
number of suspects dropped by over half,
from 47 in 2009 to 20 in 2010. This brings the
total since 9/11 to 161 Muslim-Americans
terrorist suspects and perpetrators.

FBI — Animal Rights Extremism and Ecoterrorism
In recent years, the Animal Liberation Front and the Earth Liberation Front have become the most active criminal extremist elements in the United States.
https://www.start.umd.edu/pubs/START_UnderstandingLawEnforcementIntelligenceProcesses_July2014.pdf
https://www.start.umd.edu/pubs/START_UnderstandingLawEnforcementIntelligenceProcesses_July2014.pdf
(coming from police) 52 percent of respondents agreed and 34 percent strongly agreed that sovereign citizens were a serious terrorist threat” as opposed to 39 percent of respondents who agreed and 28 percent who strongly agreed that Islamic extremists were the most serious threat.

 

[rosends]

They would not address such a concern as it is a total number of attacks and who done them.

**** you, too! And nice "he" assumption, dumb ***.
FBI — Terrorism 2002/2005
You'll have to scroll down to the bottom for the list.
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/01/06/muslim.radicalization.study/
The terrorist threat posed by radicalized Muslim- Americans has been exaggerated, according to a study released Wednesday by researchers at Duke University and the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

kurzman.unc.edu/files/2011/06/Kurzman_Muslim-American_Terrorism_Since_911_An_Accounting.pdf
As shown in Figure 1, the total for 2010
suggests that the previous year may have
been more of an aberration than a trend. The
number of suspects dropped by over half,
from 47 in 2009 to 20 in 2010. This brings the
total since 9/11 to 161 Muslim-Americans
terrorist suspects and perpetrators.

FBI — Animal Rights Extremism and Ecoterrorism
In recent years, the Animal Liberation Front and the Earth Liberation Front have become the most active criminal extremist elements in the United States.
https://www.start.umd.edu/pubs/START_UnderstandingLawEnforcementIntelligenceProcesses_July2014.pdf
(coming from police) 52 percent of respondents agreed and 34 percent strongly agreed that sovereign citizens were a serious terrorist threat” as opposed to 39 percent of respondents who agreed and 28 percent who strongly agreed that Islamic extremists were the most serious threat.

I did a quick count of the list from 1985 to 2005. Based on the name of the perpetrator or group, I came up with

14 events perpetrated by Muslim, adding to 2,981 killed and 13, 051 injured
13 events perpetrated by Jews, adding to 4 killed and 122 injured.

What numbers were you using?

 

[Simplelogic]

I did a quick count of the list from 1985 to 2005. Based on the name of the perpetrator or group, I came up with

14 events perpetrated by Muslim, adding to 2,981 killed and 13, 051 injured
13 events perpetrated by Jews, adding to 4 killed and 122 injured.

What numbers were you using?

Well this sure did backfire didn't on "her" didn't it? Not to mention the majority of Islamic terrorist attacks happen in OTHER COUNTRIES. She is just one of the many who parrot the same nonsensical logic which attempts to downplay Islamic aggression. Honestly, its starting to get old. Nice work crunching the numbers Rosends. Bad job on trying to make a point shadow wolf.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Well this sure did backfire didn't on "her" didn't it? Not to mention the majority of Islamic terrorist attacks happen in OTHER COUNTRIES. She is just one of the many who parrot the same nonsensical logic which attempts to downplay Islamic aggression. Honestly, its starting to get old. Nice work crunching the numbers Rosends. Bad job on trying to make a point shadow wolf.

Because you have poor reading comprehension, I clearly stated I was referring to attacks in America.
And, because you are blind, you wrongly judge about 90% of entire group by the actions of about 10%. Nothing has backfired. But your irrational and illogical thinking is apparent.

I did a quick count of the list from 1985 to 2005. Based on the name of the perpetrator or group, I came up with

14 events perpetrated by Muslim, adding to 2,981 killed and 13, 051 injured
13 events perpetrated by Jews, adding to 4 killed and 122 injured.

Your numbers are WAY off.

 

[Simplelogic]

Because you have poor reading comprehension, I clearly stated I was referring to attacks in America.
And, because you are blind, you wrongly judge about 90% of entire group by the actions of about 10%. Nothing has backfired. But your irrational and illogical thinking is apparent.

Your numbers are WAY off.

Epic fail

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Epic fail

You're the one who's running with a guy who gave you bad numbers.

 

[rosends]

Your numbers are WAY off.

So what are yours? I have to head to work, but if you'd like, this evening, I can type up the list that I was using, broken down by number of event, perpetrator and number of dead or injured. And just to clarify, your position relates to absolute number of incidences and not impact? You wrote "Jewish terrorists have conducted more attacks, in America, than Muslim terrorists " and you are ignoring the years before 1985 and after 2005, and ignoring attacks against American interests (airliners), citizens abroad (airports et al) and American soil (embassies). You are also discounting the number of casualties, so a tear gassing is the same as a truck laden with explosives. Just making sure I have a handle on your precise claim.

 

[Simplelogic]

You're the one who's running with a guy who gave you bad numbers.

The fact remains that 98% of violent acts (done in the name of religion) around the world are perpetrated by Muslims. You can't escape this fact. Even if you want to throw around FBI stats which have a completely different definition of "terrorism". Even with the FBI stats, you still FAIL.

I like the way you accused me of attacking the "90%" earlier too.

Even though I made it clear that peaceful Muslims are wonderful people and not the problem. But I would definitely challenge your 90-10 split between peaceful and violent Muslims. Unfortunately its much worse. Here are a couple of examples:

"according to the 2013 Pew Research Center report, 88 percent of Muslims in Egypt and 62 percent of Muslims in Pakistan favor the death penalty for people who leave the Muslim religion. This is also the majority view among Muslims in Malaysia, Jordan and the Palestinian territories. Majorities of Muslims in Egypt and Pakistan support the death penalty for leaving Islam - The Washington Post"

The following is from the Pew research center. The questions was posed to Sharia believing Muslims (which is almost all Muslims) in different countries and the question was this. "Do you believe in killing a Muslim who converts to another faith or rejects Islam?"

And the results are in. The following percentages are based of Sharia believing Muslims those who voted IN FAVOR OF DEATH:

Egypt- 86%
Jordan- 82%
Palestinian- 62% (I'm suspect of this figure btw)
Lebanon- 46%
Iraq- 42%
Afghanistan- 79%
Pakistan- 76%
Bangladesh- 44%
Malaysia- 62%
Thailand- 27%


Lets be honest here. The Islamic world is failing NOT because they are Muslims. They are failing because in order to denounce killings like these they would have to reject the words of their "prophet" to do so. The Koran/Hadith is the root problem to Islamic violence/terrorism and its time people stopped kidding themselves about this.

 

[Simplelogic]

You're the one who's running with a guy who gave you bad numbers.

Still waiting on rebuttal.

 

[dantech]

The fact remains that 98% of violent acts (done in the name of religion) around the world are perpetrated by Muslims. You can't escape this fact. Even if you want to throw around FBI stats which have a completely different definition of "terrorism". Even with the FBI stats, you still FAIL.

I like the way you accused me of attacking the "90%" earlier too.

Even though I made it clear that peaceful Muslims are wonderful people and not the problem. But I would definitely challenge your 90-10 split between peaceful and violent Muslims. Unfortunately its much worse. Here are a couple of examples:

"according to the 2013 Pew Research Center report, 88 percent of Muslims in Egypt and 62 percent of Muslims in Pakistan favor the death penalty for people who leave the Muslim religion. This is also the majority view among Muslims in Malaysia, Jordan and the Palestinian territories. Majorities of Muslims in Egypt and Pakistan support the death penalty for leaving Islam - The Washington Post"

The following is from the Pew research center. The questions was posed to Sharia believing Muslims (which is almost all Muslims) in different countries and the question was this. "Do you believe in killing a Muslim who converts to another faith or rejects Islam?"

And the results are in. The following percentages are based of Sharia believing Muslims those who voted IN FAVOR OF DEATH:

Egypt- 86%
Jordan- 82%
Palestinian- 62% (I'm suspect of this figure btw)
Lebanon- 46%
Iraq- 42%
Afghanistan- 79%
Pakistan- 76%
Bangladesh- 44%
Malaysia- 62%
Thailand- 27%


Lets be honest here. The Islamic world is failing NOT because they are Muslims. They are failing because in order to denounce killings like these they would have to reject the words of their "prophet" to do so. The Koran/Hadith is the root problem to Islamic violence/terrorism and its time people stopped kidding themselves about this.

Still waiting on rebuttal.

Checkmate....

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The fact remains that 98% of violent acts (done in the name of religion) around the world are perpetrated by Muslims.

No, they don't. You may get a lot of them from areas of the world that are hardly any better off than what Europe was during the Medieval era (the Islamic empire of the time actually flourished and made many important scientific and medical discoveries), but this does not mean the extremists from other religions are keeping quiet.

And the results are in. The following percentages are based of Sharia believing Muslims those who voted IN FAVOR OF DEATH:
Egypt- 86%
Jordan- 82%
Palestinian- 62% (I'm suspect of this figure btw)
Lebanon- 46%
Iraq- 42%
Afghanistan- 79%
Pakistan- 76%
Bangladesh- 44%
Malaysia- 62%
Thailand- 27%

Yeah, because what are some of the most backwards, ruthless, and oppressive states on the planet today speak for all Muslims around the globe.
Why do you not see similar trends coming from Muslims who are culturally Western? What is it that accounts for this discrepancy?

Still waiting on rebuttal.

What rebuttal? Your buddy did not give you an accurate count of that list. (his rebuttal was an utter failure, thus my position is not in need of rebuttal as it has not been successfully challenged) There are hardly more attacks from the Jewish Defense League than from Muslim terrorists. However, the list is dominated by occurrences of ALF and ELF, and groups from Puerto Rico, El Salvador, and other groups that people in America do not know about and are not afraid of. America's greatest threats come from within, and according to the FBI, from the South.