Judaism and Islam

[The Sum of Awe]

Both are very, very, very similar, though I think in Islam you could convert without a bar mitzva.

Both do not allow pork.

Both believe in one God.

Both believe that Jesus was not God's son (though Islam thinks Jesus was a prophet and Jewish do not).

Both believe in an afterlife (heaven, but hell varies among Jewish people).

Noah's Ark.

Adam and Eve.

Etc.

Aren't these two religions almost the same exact thing? Judaislam

 

[rockstarwife628]

It almost seems to me, and I hope not to offend anyone, that Islam takes a middle ground kind of stance between Judaism and Christianity (the Quran is also full of passages about Mary and Jesus, they believe in the virgin birth and that he is the Messiah (though not "Son of God" or God Himself, as you said, and they reject the atonement and believe that he didn't die on the cross, from what I understand) and in the Second Coming, as far as I'm aware. So it almost seems as though Islam, which is the latest of the three Abrahamic religions, takes a position of reconciling the, what some would consider, incompatibilities between the two previous faiths into one way of belief.

That's just my thought on it, anyway.... Ultimately, though, I believe all three of the Abrahamic religions have much more in common than not - and that's not just because I tend to see the things religions have in common in general, lol

 

[TheKnight]

Both are very, very, very similar, though I think in Islam you could convert without a bar mitzva.

Both do not allow pork.

Both believe in one God.

Both believe that Jesus was not God's son (though Islam thinks Jesus was a prophet and Jewish do not).

Both believe in an afterlife (heaven, but hell varies among Jewish people).

Noah's Ark.

Adam and Eve.

Etc.

Aren't these two religions almost the same exact thing? Judaislam

There are definitely similarities although I don't know what a lot of Islam's theological positions are.

I know the Rambam teaches that Islam is "kosher" as far as the Noahide laws are concerned.

Are they the exact same though? I wouldn't agree with that.

 

[Otherright]

No, not really. They aren't as similar as they might appear at quick glance. Read the Koran and Hadith sometime and you'll notice pretty quickly that they aren't, though they share a common history... kind of.

Even the end result and Will of God are different. Although, I'm not an expert on Islam. I only covered the material that I had to.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

It almost seems to me, and I hope not to offend anyone, that Islam takes a middle ground kind of stance between Judaism and Christianity (the Quran is also full of passages about Mary and Jesus, they believe in the virgin birth and that he is the Messiah (though not "Son of God" or God Himself, as you said, and they reject the atonement and believe that he didn't die on the cross, from what I understand) and in the Second Coming, as far as I'm aware. So it almost seems as though Islam, which is the latest of the three Abrahamic religions, takes a position of reconciling the, what some would consider, incompatibilities between the two previous faiths into one way of belief.

That's just my thought on it, anyway.... Ultimately, though, I believe all three of the Abrahamic religions have much more in common than not - and that's not just because I tend to see the things religions have in common in general, lol

I was thinking this also, but it is more closer to Judaism than Christianity in my opinion.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Are they the exact same though? I wouldn't agree with that.

Nope

But very close.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

No, not really. They aren't as similar as they might appear at quick glance. Read the Koran and Hadith sometime and you'll notice pretty quickly that they aren't, though they share a common history... kind of.

Even the end result and Will of God are different. Although, I'm not an expert on Islam. I only covered the material that I had to.

Thanks.

 

[TheKnight]

Nope

But very close.

I don't know enough about Islam to say.

 

[rockstarwife628]

I was thinking this also, but it is more closer to Judaism than Christianity in my opinion.

Oh, I don't disagree with you.

I guess, having a Christian foundation/perspective, I just tend to focus more on the things that are similar with Christianity, even if subconsciously or unintentionally, if that makes sense. So those connections stand out to me more, just because I recognize the things in common with my own faith. Not having as deep a connection with Judaism, there's probably a lot there that I don't quite pick up on, or at least that gets drowned out by my focus on the Christian connections, if you get what I mean. Even if it isn't intentionally done. It just resonates with what I already know....

 

[kai]

Nope

But very close.

Not sure about very close. what makes you think that?

Mohamed is ignored in Judaism that's an un bridgeable chasm wide difference.



I read somewhere once that Judaism was based on a unique historical event of a divine revelation experienced by an entire nation. Islam is based on the prophetic claims of a single individual who subsequently convinced others to follow his ways.

 

[Zardoz]

...Mohamed is ignored in Judaism that's an un bridgeable chasm wide difference...

The Buddha is also ignored by Judaism. So what? Doesn't every faith ignore holy men of other faiths?

It's not unbridgeable at all, it just means for us Jews it's not relevant. That does not mean we fail to see the blessing and benefit for others.

As TheKnight points out:

I know the Rambam teaches that Islam is "kosher" as far as the Noahide laws are concerned.

 

[kai]

The Buddha is also ignored by Judaism. So what? Doesn't every faith ignore holy men of other faiths?

It's not unbridgeable at all

, it just means for us Jews it's not relevant. That does not mean we fail to see the blessing and benefit for others.

As TheKnight points out:

Then bridge it for me if you would?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

That is certainly a nuanced way of putting the events.

Perhaps a smattering of knowledge would have rendered it less nuanced.

 

[Sunstone]

Aren't these two religions almost the same exact thing? Judaislam

Family resemblances.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Then bridge it for me if you would?

Perhaps you could first suggest just what it is that is being bridged. So, for example, what tenet of Judaism is being violated by accepting that: (a) there is no God but Allah, and/or (b) Muhammad is his prophet?

 

[kai]

Perhaps you could first suggest just what it is that is being bridged. So, for example,

what tenet of Judaism is being violated by accepting that: (a) there is no God but Allah, and/or (b) Muhammad is his prophet?

I dont really know ,but;

Doesnt God send prophets to establish religions for other nations? Doesnt the prophets particular message apply to others not the Jews?

Isnt the Torah the only scripture given from God and it's commandments bound for Jews forever?

I was really talking about ignoring the Prophet, You could be a jew and accept that There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his prophet, but your still on one side of the bridge, you could even meet in the middle, but its still an ireconcilable difference that Jews think the revelation is not for them and Muslim think it is.

Its Islam thats unreachable by not accepting that the prophets message is for you and as i understand it a jew could never accept Muhamed as his/her prophet.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Perhaps you could first suggest just what it is that is being bridged. So, for example, what tenet of Judaism is being violated by accepting that: (a) there is no God but Allah, and/or (b) Muhammad is his prophet?

I dont really know ,but; ... Its Islam thats unreachable by not accepting that the prophets message is for you and as i understand it a jew could never accept Muhamed as his/her prophet.

So, you believe that a Jew could never accept Muhamed as his/her prophet but know of no tenet that would be violated by doing so. Let me ask you this: which do you think would be more problematic on theological grounds - accepting Muhammad as prophet or accepting Jesus as God?

 

[kai]

So, you believe that a jew could never accept Muhamed as his/her prophet but know of no tenet that would be violated by doing so. Let me ask you this: which do you think would be problematic on theological grounts - accepting Muhhamed as prophet or accepting Jesus as God?

Well I think if you accept Muhammad as your prophet then you must accept the Quran and the Quran renders all scripture before it obsolete or corrupted you would be a Muslim not a Jew.

If you accept Jesus as god then that's not compatible to the theological principle of God being " one" you would be thinking like a Christian.

Now please dont toy with me Jayhawker , ( i feel like i am waiting to be crushed) tell me what you think.

 

[Zardoz]

One must keep in mind that Judaism, the religion practiced by Jews, was never meant to be a universal faith for all peoples. However, G-d doesn't ignore the other peoples, rather gives them a path that they can relate to.

Therefore, I can believe that Muhammad is indeed a prophet of G-d... given for the descendants of Ishmael.

Therefore I can believe that Jesus is indeed an intermediary to G-d... given for the descendants of Esau.

That G-d would provide paths to righteousness for these two very important descendants of Avarham Avivnu (whom G-d made a covenant with) isn't at all hard to believe. Indeed, it would be harder to understand if Christianity and Islam did not exist. Does that mean these two faiths are for me? No. They are not my path. Can I learn something of worth from them? Of course I can, the source is of G-d.

 

[Zardoz]

That is why we need the Messiah, now. To unify the descendants of Avraham.

(This was a reply to a deleted post about getting along peacefully)