Judaism and Islam

[Levite]

That is why we need the Messiah, now. To unify the descendants of Avraham.

I don't know if even the Messiah could do that. I would settle for helping the descendants of Avraham figure out how to stop deriding, disrespecting, and killing each other, and live in comparative peace with a modicum of tolerance and mutual respect.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I don't know if even the Messiah could do that. I would settle for helping the descendants of Avraham figure out how to stop deriding, disrespecting, and killing each other, and live in comparative peace with a modicum of tolerance and mutual respect.

Sort of an anti-Lieberman ...

 

[*Deleted*]

All three Abrahamic religions trace back to Abraham. There will be, I think, similarities and differences between all three.

 

[AbdulMuhd]

D, Can you show me the genealogy that links Muhammad to Abraham, please? My studies show that it is impossible to have a genealogical relationship.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

D, Can you show me the genealogy that links Muhammad to Abraham, please? My studies show that it is impossible to have a genealogical relationship.

You may wish to focus more on reading comprehension.

 

[AbdulMuhd]

You may wish to focus more on reading comprehension.

Jay, there is nothing wrong with my comprehension. Do you want me to post what I have found out about Muhammad's genealogy?

[The trouble is this site has limitations on the length of the posts and it makes it very difficult to complete what I have to say in one posting. I have tried to track down the genealogy of Moses to Adam, and Muhammad to Abraham, and it is a very involved. But you can look it up on the internet if you like. Just google it.]

 

[islam means peace]

Both are very, very, very similar, though I think in Islam you could convert without a bar mitzva.

Both do not allow pork.

Both believe in one God.

Both believe that Jesus was not God's son (though Islam thinks Jesus was a prophet and Jewish do not).

Both believe in an afterlife (heaven, but hell varies among Jewish people).

Noah's Ark.

Adam and Eve.

Etc.

Aren't these two religions almost the same exact thing? Judaislam

Well, if by judaism means message of Prophet Mossa alisalam ( to the best of my knowledge people claim following their scriptures were called jews, sorry if i am wrong,) or even if they are some Other prophet then yes you are right as the basis message of all the Prophets is same

Quran says in SURAH 3
84: Say: "We believe in Allah, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes,and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets, from theirLord: We make no distinction between one and another among them, and to Allahdo we bow our will (in Islam)."

So if you read the orignal scriptures and not see what some people are doing , then you will inshahallah find that their message is same. By following Prophet Muhammad salalahualiwasalam is like same that you had also followed Prophet Moosa alisalam or Prophet Ibrahim alisalam or Prophet Eisa alisalam (Jesus) or any other Prophet and ultimatley following the commandments of Allah

 

[Tamar]

Both are very, very, very similar, though I think in Islam you could convert without a bar mitzva.

Both do not allow pork.

Both believe in one God.

Both believe that Jesus was not God's son (though Islam thinks Jesus was a prophet and Jewish do not).

Both believe in an afterlife (heaven, but hell varies among Jewish people).



Noah's Ark.

Adam and Eve.

Etc.

Aren't these two religions almost the same exact thing? Judaislam

Here are some corrections to conversion:


You don't convert with a Bar Mitzvah. The Bar Mitzvah is the ritual of being called to read the Torah for the first time, and it marks the age of having the responsibilities of other adult Jews. But a Jew becomes a Bar/Bat Mitzvah at the age of 12 and 13 whether the ceremony occurs or not.

To become Jewish one studies with a Rabbi usually for a year but maybe longer, makes a Jewish home, learns hebrew and becomes active with the Jewish community.

The rituals are to go before a Beit Din, and immersion in the Mikvah, and circumcision or hatafat dam brit for males.

 

[Many Sages One Truth]

Isn't it true that many Jewish scholars think that Keturah, Abraham's second wife, was actually Hagar?

 

[Levite]

Isn't it true that many Jewish scholars think that Keturah, Abraham's second wife, was actually Hagar?

There is a midrash that says that, yes. But the predominate midrashim about Keturah make her the foremother of a bunch of other nations, which seems to indicate that she was separate from Hagar, who is generally counted only as the foremother of the Ishmaelites (Arabs, and by adoption, all Muslims)-- which is usually considered prestige enough.

 

[khanyy]

re 1

"The Sum of Awe"


"Aren't these two religions almost the same exact thing? Judaislam"

Firstly i would say this that there are a great many threads on this topic for some reason on this forum...all Abrahamic religions are indeed similar as they stemmed from one person, however they aren't the same due to practices differing from each other. The items you quoted were more towards the structure of the religions its the base believer that is different.

E.g. Jews persecuted under Pharaoh's rule, escape, GIVEN a land to live in.
Muslims persecuted under Meccan rule, escape, TAKE back Mecca.

Jews seem to feel they are persistently persecuted wear as muslims don't, this i think stems from what i stated above - Jews escaped but didnt reclaim/absorb or defeat the power persecuting them (even though Pharaoh died) this may have created a sense that if others persecuted them they would have to run again (no permanent residence, its the base of Maslow's Hierarchy).

Now the religions are similar as Arabs and Jews are both Semites and have similar languages/ cultures But its the people that make a religion and as i see it Allah wanted us to see how the religions are similar but people are so different.

And in my view God, Allah, Yahweh didn't want the same thing or he would have stated as such but the point is for them to be different individually.

BTW. the word Islam may be over 1400 years old but the religion according to the Quran is a whole lot older more so than Abrahams' religion...

[Pickthal 42:13] He hath ordained for you that religion which He commended unto Noah, and that which We inspire in thee (Muhammad), and that which We commended unto Abraham and Moses and Jesus, saying: Establish the religion, and be not divided therein. Dreadful for the idolaters is that unto which thou callest them. Allah chooseth for Himself whom He will, and guideth unto Himself him who turneth (toward Him).

so of course they are similar!

Salaam

 

[Tamar]

re 1

"The Sum of Awe"


"Aren't these two religions almost the same exact thing? Judaislam"

Firstly i would say this that there are a great many threads on this topic for some reason on this forum...all Abrahamic religions are indeed similar as they stemmed from one person, however they aren't the same due to practices differing from each other. The items you quoted were more towards the structure of the religions its the base believer that is different.

E.g. Jews persecuted under Pharaoh's rule, escape, GIVEN a land to live in.
Muslims persecuted under Meccan rule, escape, TAKE back Mecca.

Jews seem to feel they are persistently persecuted wear as muslims don't, this i think stems from what i stated above - Jews escaped but didnt reclaim/absorb or defeat the power persecuting them (even though Pharaoh died) this may have created a sense that if others persecuted them they would have to run again (no permanent residence, its the base of Maslow's Hierarchy).

Now the religions are similar as Arabs and Jews are both Semites and have similar languages/ cultures But its the people that make a religion and as i see it Allah wanted us to see how the religions are similar but people are so different.

And in my view God, Allah, Yahweh didn't want the same thing or he would have stated as such but the point is for them to be different individually.

BTW. the word Islam may be over 1400 years old but the religion according to the Quran is a whole lot older more so than Abrahams' religion...

[Pickthal 42:13] He hath ordained for you that religion which He commended unto Noah, and that which We inspire in thee (Muhammad), and that which We commended unto Abraham and Moses and Jesus, saying: Establish the religion, and be not divided therein. Dreadful for the idolaters is that unto which thou callest them. Allah chooseth for Himself whom He will, and guideth unto Himself him who turneth (toward Him).

so of course they are similar!

Salaam

Jews have been persecuted historically, and this persecution is why we are living in the diaspora since the destruction of the 2nd temple in Jerusalem.

Jews have been pushed from one place to another for the last 2000 years.

Judaism does not have much in common with Islam as far as theology goes.

 

[Levite]

Judaism does not have much in common with Islam as far as theology goes.

Actually, Judaism and Islam have a lot in common, theologically. Islam's pure monotheism is probably, in some ways, theologically closer to Judaism than any other religion. And though the phrasing is different, and the practical laws evolved differently, some of the fundamental "commandments" in both religions are quite similar, and imply a fair amount of overlap in perceptions of what God wishes of people.

And even in practice, Islam is also a religion of laws, much as is Judaism. Halakhah and Shari'a have a lot of commonalities, and in fact, at certain points in the medieval period, halakhic and Shari'a courts in Muslim lands used to occasionally permit each other's caselaw as precedent.

The real differences come from the ways in which both religions interpret their respective scriptures, and the variations in rigidity and flexibility with the respective legal traditions.

 

[Levite]

Jews seem to feel they are persistently persecuted wear as muslims don't, this i think stems from what i stated above - Jews escaped but didnt reclaim/absorb or defeat the power persecuting them (even though Pharaoh died) this may have created a sense that if others persecuted them they would have to run again (no permanent residence, its the base of Maslow's Hierarchy).

I think it probably has more to do with the fact that Jews, historically, have had very little in the way of political power, and for the majority of the past 2000 years, had no land to call their own, but rather lived amongst strangers, to whose whims they were subject; whereas Muslims have, historically, wielded considerable political and military might, and had many lands under their rule, giving them a greater sense of security.

 

[Tamar]

Actually, Judaism and Islam have a lot in common, theologically. Islam's pure monotheism is probably, in some ways, theologically closer to Judaism than any other religion. And though the phrasing is different, and the practical laws evolved differently, some of the fundamental "commandments" in both religions are quite similar, and imply a fair amount of overlap in perceptions of what God wishes of people.

And even in practice, Islam is also a religion of laws, much as is Judaism. Halakhah and Shari'a have a lot of commonalities, and in fact, at certain points in the medieval period, halakhic and Shari'a courts in Muslim lands used to occasionally permit each other's caselaw as precedent.

The real differences come from the ways in which both religions interpret their respective scriptures, and the variations in rigidity and flexibility with the respective legal traditions.

Islam has a definite theology of hell and paradise, which is different then Judaism. I would consider this closer to Christianity.

There is not much independent thought because like Christianity Islam emphasizes the end of life and what happens after life. If you get it wrong then hell is where you will go.

They also have a very definite theology of the end time and that Jesus will return.

There is also a theology of conversion of the non believer.

You won't see the variation in Islam that you see in Judaism or Christianity that allow for the range going from orthodoxy to the more liberal movements or in Christianity denominations.

What I would see as similiar is the belief of feeding the homeless, and taking care of the orphan, to give back to society.

Muslims are part of a ummah which is being part of the Muslim family.

Islam has common beliefs with Christianity too. It has taken from both.

 

[sadiq]

Judaism and Islam are still closer.
Both are monotheistic in contrast to Christianity which is....whatever it is.
(and i do not know how to define Christianity's belief about Jesus being G-d or whatever)

 

[Poisonshady313]

(and i do not know how to define Christianity's belief about Jesus being G-d or whatever)

Don't let that bother you. Christians don't know how to define it either.

 

[sadiq]

Jews seem to feel they are persistently persecuted wear as muslims don't,

Damn,tell it to the uncle i never had a chance to meet.
He was decapitated by muslims in Morocco in 1956 while 2 years old for simply being born a Jew,but that is of course pure fiction as Jews were not persistently persecuted the last 2000 years or so by our pure,holy and righteous "successors" for the abominable crime of simply existing and practicing our Religion.

 

[kai]

Judaism and Islam are still closer.
Both are monotheistic in contrast to Christianity which is....whatever it is.
(and i do not know how to define Christianity's belief about Jesus being G-d or whatever)

I would like to ask . If nothing from an Islamic point of view, can further the distance of Islam, from any other religion whatever the similarities, than the denial of the prophet surely?

 

[khanyy]

Hi Sadiq,

Damn,tell it to the uncle i never had a chance to meet.
He was decapitated by muslims in Morocco in 1956 while 2 years old for simply being born a Jew,but that is of course pure fiction as Jews were not persistently persecuted the last 2000 years or so by our pure,holy and righteous "successors" for the abominable crime of simply existing and practicing our Religion.

Hang on wasn't that when Morocco gained independence? There was a hell of a lot of turmoil during those years i would guess, as i wasn't even born then.

You know something tell me a nation on this earth that hasn't been persecuted, you think Jews are the only ones? The point is others move on from this painful moment wear as Jews seem to dwell on it for centuries...

salaam/shalom.