Flankerl
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Judaism, Christianity, and the Jewish Faith
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roger1440
I do stuff
Please explain that to me. It went right over my head.
CMike
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Eh? :thud:
well...the old testament is full of Christian concepts.
In Deuteronomy: nobody shall be poor among you. Leviticus: love thy neighbor as thyself
etc etc
But it is obvious that Judaism is about love, charity and brotherhood. So they put Christ's teachings into practice
Levite
Higher and Higher
I believe you have that backward....
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Theoretically there are similarities, but if someone really opposes Jesus there is a major disagreement there between the two religions. There is no separation of the theology of Xianity from the mundane 'teachings'.
CMike
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As Levite stated you have it backwards.
Christians took these Jewish concepts. They originated with Judaism.
Also, jesus wasn't even born until way into Judaism.
paarsurrey
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roger1440
I do stuff
You are right, but the way you had worded it is misleading. It comes out as the Jews got there concepts from the Christians. It would have been better said something like, Christians adopted many concepts from the Jews.
roger1440
I do stuff
Didn't Christ get these teachings from Jewish scripture? It seems that's all the guy ever talked about.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
roger1440
I do stuff
What laws?
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Explain?
Akivah
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1. Why must Christianity and Judaism be united?
2. What form do you think this "unification" should take? E.g. unity of beliefs, unity of actions, etc.
3. Judaism came before Christianity and we have many different beliefs, so your last sentence isn't accurate.
4. The topic of the thread was Paul's teachings to start a new religion. As we've shown that at best, Paul was a heretical Jew, will that adversely affect a unification?
I think we can agree on actions like love, brotherhood, and compassion. And that's as much unification that we can have.
gsa
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I think it depends; Unitarian Christians and Reform Jews are frankly not that different in their habits or theology. The last religious community that I was involved with was liberal, Unitarian and Christian. Jesus was more or less a teacher and prophet, not an incarnation of God in any unique way. Among many liberal or progressive Christians, there is also a strong desire to re-root Christianity in its Jewish origins. The fact is, these kinds of Christians have more in common with liberal Jews than they do with conservative or even moderate Christians. Particularly if they are unitarian.
Does this entail unification? I don't know. In terms of their liturgy and worship styles, probably not. But in terms of their beliefs, to me, it seems that Unitarian Christians have beliefs that are teetering on the edge of liberal Judaism if not overlapping with it. But still very different from Orthodox or Conservative, to be sure.
Akivah
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Hmmm...I read the mission statement and core beliefs of your link. It looks like a nice religion. I particularly liked core principal #4
With that, no unification needed. But we could certainly work together.
RabbiO
הרב יונה בן זכריה
Well, this isn't going to cut it, "We believe the Bible to be the inspired word of God, and that the Christ Jesus is the pathway for our journey though out life."
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Right, but the problem is that people confuse Judaic belief, which is present in Xianity, with 'Judaism', outside of Xianity. Then you can end up with all sorts of ideologies that aren't Judaism or Xianity, either.
gsa
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Certainly that represents a significant barrier! But probably not as strong as you think in the liberal Unitarian Christian tradition. The reason for that is that "Christ" has been reworked considerably, with the messianic claim often one attributed to the followers as opposed to the man. Also out the door with the incarnation, and with the traditional understanding of divine inspiration of scriptures (i.e., acceptance of higher criticism including the documentary hypothesis).
As I said, they're clearly not the same as Jews, but I think that Unitarian Christians and more liberal branches of Judaism have more in common with one another in terms of their beliefs than they have in common with their more orthodox/traditional/conservative co-religionists. When it comes to practices, that is a different matter altogether because they are working out of different traditions.
I can't speak for Unitarian Christians in any event; too diverse, and I left it. But the point that I would make is that they have more in common with one another and could probably learn from one another. I suspect that takes place with some frequency anyway, given the number of interfaith couples that participate in the UU system (which is itself not really strongly correlated with Unitarian Christianity but includes many practitioners).