rosends
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Well, they tell the doctor who invented the vaccine that they understand the science better. You know, from the outside.
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Judaism vs Christianity: Second Coming of Messiah
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dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
Only if the outside observer can be objective.
Audie
Veteran Member
At the risk of being (equally) tiresome, I
please note I wasn't suggesting an invariable,
or that anyone can be purely objective.
FIRST COMING: Christ (the spirit) occupied the body of Jesus.
SECOND COMING: Christ rose from the the grave, and he didn't have dark curly hair as he did in his first coming, he was a spirit (not corporeal) and he came with eyes of fire red and with long bright blond hair. Some would argue that he wasn't the same spirit as the spirit in Jesus.
THIRD COMING: It is predicted, by ancient prophecy, that Christ will come again (called the 2nd coming, but it is really the third coming). This time, however, he isn't so much the savior and healer, he is more like the sharp tongued critic who is here to tell humanity how they failed to obey God's laws (war against Iraq, torture camp at Guantanamo, hoards of homeless fending for themselves and having their meager possessions tossed into to the trash, huge numbers of people voting against socialized medicine that uses public funds to heal all (remember, Christ had healed the sick, regardless of their ability to pay), churches that turn away the hungry and sick, etc. The bible describes Christ's criticisms as "a tongue like a sword." (Maybe I should let Christ come, personally, and say the things that I do (about the homeless and Global Warming), since that is his job, after all.
We are in the end times. We got to the end times by President W. Bush attacking Babylon, Iraq for the 2nd time. Revelation (in the bible) says that will incur God's wrath, including Revelation 15 (seven plagues, including COVID).
Psychics, ordered by God, to send God's messages to the world, have been here since before the Persian Gulf War (September 1, 2001). The psychics boisterous outcries were drown out by the fear and greed of Satan. Satan, talking through President W. Bush, said that we have to "fight the Axis of evil" and that drowned out God's message that we all know and respect "thou shalt not kill" and "turn the other cheek." In other words, God will take care of the al Qaeda, and it was not man's task to do anything about it. As it turns out, Iraq was totally innocent of terrorism, so God was right and W. Bush was wrong (which is how it should be).
The psychics of God were summoned by God to deliver the message that we must not lose our faith and must not defy God. God said "don't attack Babylon, Iraq" and "thou shalt not kill," and the psychics of God are merely here to remind everyone of God's laws.
It is a pity that everyone listened to Satan rather than the psychics of God.
Most of the psychics of God are dead already. They knew that their lives were short, because God had ordained it.
So there are many sources telling us to expect Christ again. One is the bible (Revelation). Another are the psychics of God. Unfortunately, almost no one believes Revelation, despite the fact that it was a prediction of the war in Iraq, and precisely predicted all of the things that are happening now. Unfortunately, no one heeds the psychics sent by God to bring his message to the world, because their voices are drowned out by the fear and greed of Satan. Almost no one believes that God is trying to communicate to the world.
SECOND COMING: Christ rose from the the grave, and he didn't have dark curly hair as he did in his first coming, he was a spirit (not corporeal) and he came with eyes of fire red and with long bright blond hair. Some would argue that he wasn't the same spirit as the spirit in Jesus.
THIRD COMING: It is predicted, by ancient prophecy, that Christ will come again (called the 2nd coming, but it is really the third coming). This time, however, he isn't so much the savior and healer, he is more like the sharp tongued critic who is here to tell humanity how they failed to obey God's laws (war against Iraq, torture camp at Guantanamo, hoards of homeless fending for themselves and having their meager possessions tossed into to the trash, huge numbers of people voting against socialized medicine that uses public funds to heal all (remember, Christ had healed the sick, regardless of their ability to pay), churches that turn away the hungry and sick, etc. The bible describes Christ's criticisms as "a tongue like a sword." (Maybe I should let Christ come, personally, and say the things that I do (about the homeless and Global Warming), since that is his job, after all.
We are in the end times. We got to the end times by President W. Bush attacking Babylon, Iraq for the 2nd time. Revelation (in the bible) says that will incur God's wrath, including Revelation 15 (seven plagues, including COVID).
Psychics, ordered by God, to send God's messages to the world, have been here since before the Persian Gulf War (September 1, 2001). The psychics boisterous outcries were drown out by the fear and greed of Satan. Satan, talking through President W. Bush, said that we have to "fight the Axis of evil" and that drowned out God's message that we all know and respect "thou shalt not kill" and "turn the other cheek." In other words, God will take care of the al Qaeda, and it was not man's task to do anything about it. As it turns out, Iraq was totally innocent of terrorism, so God was right and W. Bush was wrong (which is how it should be).
The psychics of God were summoned by God to deliver the message that we must not lose our faith and must not defy God. God said "don't attack Babylon, Iraq" and "thou shalt not kill," and the psychics of God are merely here to remind everyone of God's laws.
It is a pity that everyone listened to Satan rather than the psychics of God.
Most of the psychics of God are dead already. They knew that their lives were short, because God had ordained it.
So there are many sources telling us to expect Christ again. One is the bible (Revelation). Another are the psychics of God. Unfortunately, almost no one believes Revelation, despite the fact that it was a prediction of the war in Iraq, and precisely predicted all of the things that are happening now. Unfortunately, no one heeds the psychics sent by God to bring his message to the world, because their voices are drowned out by the fear and greed of Satan. Almost no one believes that God is trying to communicate to the world.
Scott C.
Just one guy
I'll give a response that is probably an over simplification. As I'm not Jewish I obviously can't speak for them. The Jews were anticipating the coming of the Messiah at the time of Christ. Some Jews believed Jesus was their Messiah, others did not. Those who accepted Jesus as the Messiah and followed him, would not have seen their belief as a departure from their faith. They would not see themselves as leaving Judaism to join Christianity. They would see themselves as staying on the true Messiah train while those who rejected Christ were jumping off that train. The Old Testament prophesies of the Messiah contain events that were fulfilled by Jesus Christ during his life and resurrection. The prophesies also include events that will not be fulfilled until Christ returns the Second Time. I believe part of the reason many Jews did not accept Jesus as the Messiah was that he did not fulfill the prophesies intended for his Second Coming. There are prophesies in the Old Testament today which Christians believe will be fulfilled when Jesus returns. The Jews believe those prophesies will be fulfilled when the true Messiah comes for the first time. Again this is an over simplification and I am not a historian in how Jewish Messianic beliefs may have evolved over the centuries.
Audie
Veteran Member
The Hawaiians managed to make their
prophetic myth identify captain Cook
Long.
Audie
Veteran Member
Um, is this a parody?
Some Jews believe it and it is why they are called Messianic Jews. By and large, as far as I understand, mainline Jews don't believe in the second coming. For them it will be "the first coming" and for Christians it will be "the second coming" but it will be the same person -- at least that is my position.
Flankerl
Well-Known Member
Most "Messianic Jews" aren't Jews.
True... but what I am saying that Jews who believe in Jesus are Messianic Jews.
Riders
Well-Known Member
They are Christians Messianic Christians.
Riders
Well-Known Member
Messianic Christian churches like my sisters are all over the US they are called Messianic Christsian churches.
That doesn't detract that the individual Jewish person who accepts Jesus as the Messiah is a Messianic Jew.
rosends
Well-Known Member
Well, yes and no. It destroys the ability of the rank and file Jew to believe in the concept of a messiah, lest he be called "messianic" and yet Judaism has a messianic notion and we are to work towards that ideal. So in a sense, all observant Jews are "messianic" but people who have abandoned central tenets of Judaism and have embraced a central Christian belief still want to be sheltered under the heading of "Jew" and have co-opted the term "Messianic Jew" so that no one else who might properly be described by it can use it.
Christianity had to make up the “second coming” to overcome to obvious issue that Jesus of Nazareth did not fulfill the Scriptural prophecies about the moshiach ben David. They made it up. It is not supported by Scripture. Indeed the Scriptures don’t support it.
No... that isn't how we came to that conclusion.
stvdv
Veteran Member
I know nothing about Judaism. But I do observe a cynical attitude more than occasionally, among those replying on RF.
rosends
Well-Known Member
I observe an attitude of those who know nothing about Judaism that they can still tell Jews what Judaism teaches. That might drive some of the responses that you observe.
stvdv
Veteran Member
Yes, I agree that this kind of behavior is strange indeed, to say the least
Yes, that's what I guessed.
My Master discourages the use of sarcasm, cynicism, irony
Question: Are those (generally) encouraged or discourages in your faith?