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Judaism: Who did force YHVH to end the prophecy?
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Tumah
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You may find people respond better if you include a few sentences at the end of your ... speech? sermon? ramblings?Hi Folks...
I have a slightly different take on all this - indeed - Christ Himself is to blame for the fact that the Jews lost their prophets - and when He came - basically, but in a very real sense , the Hebrew god "gave up authority" and allowed Christ to assume His full LEGITIMATE DIVINE authority...
I emphasise it that way because Christ Himself said quite blatantly that the Hebrew "god" was not a true god at all and certainly is NOT Our Father that Christ alone teaches us of.. In effect Christ came to give us a NEW TRUTH of the legitimate Divinity - a new truth that He said openly would then "set us free" - yes..?...Understand then - if a spoken truth delivered by Him can set us free - then the thing that holds us imprisoned must be a "lie error or deception" given by the authority that was in place before Him - yes..?..Obvious really - THAT is what we are to be free from, the deceipt of this bogus "god" and its domination and manipulation of us all..
Christ said that the Hebrew god was not a legitimate true Divine entity at all - not the SOURCE of Creation itself - but only an Angel as we term it - a CREATURE exactly like You and I.. He explains this Divine Father Source of Creation fully so that we can compare it to the origin of the one we erroneously call "god" - and tells us very clearly the Father is a TRINITY of Being - describes it in great detail so there can be no confusion - and tells us two aspects of this Trinity especially, bring forth the material Creation when they COMBINE their essence - He Christ, and a FEMALE counterpart, Goddess Sophia as He names Her.. The third part of this Trinity is the Father of course a spirit, a Divine mind that CHOOSES and literally IMAGINES the Creation - Christ and Sophia combine their talents to make the Fathers Will come forth - ALWAYS together - Male AND Female combine to call forth PERFECTION..
Except this one time - the creation of the one who will become "god" to mankind - was a mistake actually, created less then perfect and so cast out of heaven, as the religion later twists - and this malformed less than perfect Angel is placed SEPERATE ISOLATED and fully ALONE here in THIS universe, created for it specifically as a kind of "hidden prison"......The one WE call "god" has a CREATOR - a MOTHER - the goddess Sophia create it ALONE without the male Christ to aid Her - and so Her singular creation is malformed less than perfect and out of shame and guilt She hides it thus in this entirely seperate and isolated relam we call "home".
.So the ANGEL - wakes to its existance HERE - seperate and alone - it is SEMI DIVINE - in modern parlance we have termed them ARCHONS (there are many like Yahweh) - not fully Divine but certainly a Semi Divine MIND that holds the formation of an entire universe or realm - a god within a much much MUCH greater "god" yet - and above them all - the Trinity and Our Father the Cause of Creation itself..
So Yahweh - arouses here in this barren isolated realm - and soon discovers this latent inherant power to CREATE - except for Him - he is NOT LIKE THE TRINITY - not the FATHER - he cannot simply call forth creation from "nowhere" and "no time" - this one can NOT create anything NEW - all it can do is shape and mould, create FROM that which ALREADY EXISTS HERE -the "energy" of the universe is his to command - but he cannot call forth any new creation at all or add to it in any way - only recycle that which he already posesses.. So he begins to create as his will dictates...calls forth and fashions his own forms of Angels - makes abodes we call "heavens" forms some material substances that wlll be worlds - even starts off some lifeforms but none have that eternal Self realisation of the Divine mind, just dumb animals thus far...ALL created FROM this pool of energy that Sophia the TRUE Divine deposited here ot sustain Her malformed offspring..
So for a while all is well here - Angels get created, basic liffeforms - and look here as yet, this realm remains SEPERATE and ISOLATED - every Soul here must fully believe Yahweh to be "supreme god" for EVERYTHING here in THIS universe flows from its semi divine MIND - they all accept and worship this Angel fully as a bona fide "creator god" because as far as THIS universe goes it is indeed the dominant force... This continues until in the higher realms of theTrinity a truly awesome creation event happens - ADAMUS - Divine man is created and this is so magnificent that Christ said EVERY SOUL IN CREATION becomes aware of this event - and so these two forgotten realms finally are made known to each other..!!
BIG PROBLEMS now for Yahweh - no longer "supreme" every Soul KNOWS IT DIRECTLY as they all witness and experience the power of the Divine when Adamus is created...The lesser Angels question his authority - eventually openly rebel and wish to investigate this awesome powerful majesty they all witnessed...Yahweh forbids them all - Iam god No1 he says and you will have none of these others before ME - this eventually leads to mankind being put on the Earth - some rebellious Angels imprisoned here too - and Yawheh doing its best to maintain control and domination of us all despite the overwhelming evidence that he is not supreme after all, STILL it clings to and covets that authority and will not relinquish it...
Not at first any way - but eventually even Yahweh is curious and will go seek out the Trinity - encounter the True Divine directly - and at this point basically, He "repents" as it were and admits he has treated mankind unjustly and agrees to allow CHRIST to have FULL dominion and control here....Im cutting it short a great deal of course - but this is the basics - Christ came to FREE us from the enforced spiritual domination of the one we call "god" in the bible..It was a FALSE god and when it finally encountered the Divine it gave up its false claims over us and allowed Christ to intercede and set things straight..
Christ is NOT SENT FROM YAHWEH - not sent form "anyone" actually - but freely chose to aid us for our own sakes.. Yahweh really didnt get much choice but agreed to relinquish his false authority and basically, has not been heard of at all for around four centuries BEFORE Christ took His mortal form among us..
A Jew named Malachi is the last Hebrew prophet that there will ever be - take away all the bible religious propaganda and we find that "god" even declared openly that he would be last prophet and no more contact at all until Christ... This is because the god knew already of course that Christ was about to walk the Earth - which in affect means the game is up for Yahweh as Christ will give us this NEW TRUTH that sets us free from Yahwehs deceipt.....So -Yahweh tellas his prophets he is leaving - watch for Christ and follow Him now thus the Messiah is awaited...
Except - predicted event arrives - CHRIST begins to teach HIS TRUTH - and tells them as I tel you - they have been worshipping the wrong god entirely - not a god at all...And look - the god is SILENT as this happens - they cant run off and ask it for guidance or for truth as it is SILENT for HUNDREDS OF YEARS ALREADY - handed authority to Christ ALREADY - but will not openly admit its deciept to "its people" and just leaves Christ to clean up its mess and fix it all for us.. Some of the gods agents though - notably the lesser Angels it trapped here among us -THEY will not give up their own power so easily though - and so mankind has been dominated still and always, by those who called themselves "god" and used their power to manipulate us all ways around..
The one called Yahweh stopped speaking to mankind some four hundred years before my mate Christ walked the Earth - it couldnt continue the farce any longer yet was unwilling to face them to admit its duplicity with us as it knew Christ was literally about to blow its deception wide open and reveal the truth of everything to us.. Make no mistake Christ is NOT of the Hebrew god at all and DID come to DENOUNCE that one as a false god - merely an Angel He said that covets power and authority over us...The Hebrew "god" could do nothing to stop it and so decided to make the best of it and told its people to expect Christ to come take charge and set things right - then Yahweh slunk away into the shadows, fully ashamed it seems never to be seen again....
NOBODY has spoken to that one DIRECTLY since that man Malachi - the "god" has never been heard of again - only its lesser ANGELS - they continue to commune with mankind all the way through though...GABRIEL for instance will go much later to Mohamed and declare this "god" again wants a NEW chosen people now and so the fiasco continued - the attempt to dominate and control CONTINUED - even to this day - it continues - and look - CHRIST is the ONLY truth that sets you free from all that - wrong "god" entirely
You know, something that people might be inclined to actually read.
Tumah
Veteran Member
I'm sorry. You were unclear if your post was open to all the religions peoples and atheists peoples. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to comment or not.
Akivah
Well-Known Member
Are you spying on me? How did you know I used the page-down key to get past PeteC's post?
Sleeppy
Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
Prophecy has never ended @paarsurrey. The ability to commune with the "Divine Presence", was never confined to any single locale, whether that be a tabernacle, temple, mountain or bush @Tumah.
Tumah
Veteran Member
Those are all single locations that the Divine Presence was confined to.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
I agree with you.
G-d -the Omnipresent, neither He can be confined to one place nor restricted on communicating or not communication to people. Please
Regards
Sleeppy
Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
False.
If you began with Genesis, there would be no possible way for you to make that assumption.
Ratzzable
Member
Hi Folks...
I have a slightly different take on all this - indeed - Christ Himself is to blame for the fact that the Jews lost their prophets - and when He came - basically, but in a very real sense , the Hebrew god "gave up authority" and allowed Christ to assume His full LEGITIMATE DIVINE authority...
I emphasise it that way because Christ Himself said quite blatantly that the Hebrew "god" was not a true god at all and certainly is NOT Our Father that Christ alone teaches us of.. In effect Christ came to give us a NEW TRUTH of the legitimate Divinity - a new truth that He said openly would then "set us free" - yes..?...Understand then - if a spoken truth delivered by Him can set us free - then the thing that holds us imprisoned must be a "lie error or deception" given by the authority that was in place before Him - yes..?..Obvious really - THAT is what we are to be free from, the deceipt of this bogus "god" and its domination and manipulation of us all..
Christ said that the Hebrew god was not a legitimate true Divine entity at all - not the SOURCE of Creation itself - but only an Angel as we term it - a CREATURE exactly like You and I.. He explains this Divine Father Source of Creation fully so that we can compare it to the origin of the one we erroneously call "god" - and tells us very clearly the Father is a TRINITY of Being - describes it in great detail so there can be no confusion - and tells us two aspects of this Trinity especially, bring forth the material Creation when they COMBINE their essence - He Christ, and a FEMALE counterpart, Goddess Sophia as He names Her.. The third part of this Trinity is the Father of course a spirit, a Divine mind that CHOOSES and literally IMAGINES the Creation - Christ and Sophia combine their talents to make the Fathers Will come forth - ALWAYS together - Male AND Female combine to call forth PERFECTION..
Except this one time - the creation of the one who will become "god" to mankind - was a mistake actually, created less then perfect and so cast out of heaven, as the religion later twists - and this malformed less than perfect Angel is placed SEPERATE ISOLATED and fully ALONE here in THIS universe, created for it specifically as a kind of "hidden prison"......The one WE call "god" has a CREATOR - a MOTHER - the goddess Sophia create it ALONE without the male Christ to aid Her - and so Her singular creation is malformed less than perfect and out of shame and guilt She hides it thus in this entirely seperate and isolated relam we call "home".
.So the ANGEL - wakes to its existance HERE - seperate and alone - it is SEMI DIVINE - in modern parlance we have termed them ARCHONS (there are many like Yahweh) - not fully Divine but certainly a Semi Divine MIND that holds the formation of an entire universe or realm - a god within a much much MUCH greater "god" yet - and above them all - the Trinity and Our Father the Cause of Creation itself..
So Yahweh - arouses here in this barren isolated realm - and soon discovers this latent inherant power to CREATE - except for Him - he is NOT LIKE THE TRINITY - not the FATHER - he cannot simply call forth creation from "nowhere" and "no time" - this one can NOT create anything NEW - all it can do is shape and mould, create FROM that which ALREADY EXISTS HERE -the "energy" of the universe is his to command - but he cannot call forth any new creation at all or add to it in any way - only recycle that which he already posesses.. So he begins to create as his will dictates...calls forth and fashions his own forms of Angels - makes abodes we call "heavens" forms some material substances that wlll be worlds - even starts off some lifeforms but none have that eternal Self realisation of the Divine mind, just dumb animals thus far...ALL created FROM this pool of energy that Sophia the TRUE Divine deposited here ot sustain Her malformed offspring..
So for a while all is well here - Angels get created, basic liffeforms - and look here as yet, this realm remains SEPERATE and ISOLATED - every Soul here must fully believe Yahweh to be "supreme god" for EVERYTHING here in THIS universe flows from its semi divine MIND - they all accept and worship this Angel fully as a bona fide "creator god" because as far as THIS universe goes it is indeed the dominant force... This continues until in the higher realms of theTrinity a truly awesome creation event happens - ADAMUS - Divine man is created and this is so magnificent that Christ said EVERY SOUL IN CREATION becomes aware of this event - and so these two forgotten realms finally are made known to each other..!!
BIG PROBLEMS now for Yahweh - no longer "supreme" every Soul KNOWS IT DIRECTLY as they all witness and experience the power of the Divine when Adamus is created...The lesser Angels question his authority - eventually openly rebel and wish to investigate this awesome powerful majesty they all witnessed...Yahweh forbids them all - Iam god No1 he says and you will have none of these others before ME - this eventually leads to mankind being put on the Earth - some rebellious Angels imprisoned here too - and Yawheh doing its best to maintain control and domination of us all despite the overwhelming evidence that he is not supreme after all, STILL it clings to and covets that authority and will not relinquish it...
Not at first any way - but eventually even Yahweh is curious and will go seek out the Trinity - encounter the True Divine directly - and at this point basically, He "repents" as it were and admits he has treated mankind unjustly and agrees to allow CHRIST to have FULL dominion and control here....Im cutting it short a great deal of course - but this is the basics - Christ came to FREE us from the enforced spiritual domination of the one we call "god" in the bible..It was a FALSE god and when it finally encountered the Divine it gave up its false claims over us and allowed Christ to intercede and set things straight..
Christ is NOT SENT FROM YAHWEH - not sent form "anyone" actually - but freely chose to aid us for our own sakes.. Yahweh really didnt get much choice but agreed to relinquish his false authority and basically, has not been heard of at all for around four centuries BEFORE Christ took His mortal form among us..
A Jew named Malachi is the last Hebrew prophet that there will ever be - take away all the bible religious propaganda and we find that "god" even declared openly that he would be last prophet and no more contact at all until Christ... This is because the god knew already of course that Christ was about to walk the Earth - which in affect means the game is up for Yahweh as Christ will give us this NEW TRUTH that sets us free from Yahwehs deceipt.....So -Yahweh tellas his prophets he is leaving - watch for Christ and follow Him now thus the Messiah is awaited...
Except - predicted event arrives - CHRIST begins to teach HIS TRUTH - and tells them as I tel you - they have been worshipping the wrong god entirely - not a god at all...And look - the god is SILENT as this happens - they cant run off and ask it for guidance or for truth as it is SILENT for HUNDREDS OF YEARS ALREADY - handed authority to Christ ALREADY - but will not openly admit its deciept to "its people" and just leaves Christ to clean up its mess and fix it all for us.. Some of the gods agents though - notably the lesser Angels it trapped here among us -THEY will not give up their own power so easily though - and so mankind has been dominated still and always, by those who called themselves "god" and used their power to manipulate us all ways around..
The one called Yahweh stopped speaking to mankind some four hundred years before my mate Christ walked the Earth - it couldnt continue the farce any longer yet was unwilling to face them to admit its duplicity with us as it knew Christ was literally about to blow its deception wide open and reveal the truth of everything to us.. Make no mistake Christ is NOT of the Hebrew god at all and DID come to DENOUNCE that one as a false god - merely an Angel He said that covets power and authority over us...The Hebrew "god" could do nothing to stop it and so decided to make the best of it and told its people to expect Christ to come take charge and set things right - then Yahweh slunk away into the shadows, fully ashamed it seems never to be seen again....
NOBODY has spoken to that one DIRECTLY since that man Malachi - the "god" has never been heard of again - only its lesser ANGELS - they continue to commune with mankind all the way through though...GABRIEL for instance will go much later to Mohamed and declare this "god" again wants a NEW chosen people now and so the fiasco continued - the attempt to dominate and control CONTINUED - even to this day - it continues - and look - CHRIST is the ONLY truth that sets you free from all that - wrong "god" entirely
Bravissimo, this is by far one of the best posts I have read here!
But where did you derive the denounciation of the Divine authority, voice of Christ proclaiming Sophia, YHWH's counterpart mistaken for a Son, pointless rehashing of existing existance into state and proclaming it eternity in eternal wouldn't show them BOTH as God YHWH with powers of a recycler and an imagination of a mirror, his Son, the truth speaking leader of mirrored reflections hanging to his phylosophy of hope "I am the only tree mentioned twice", as Entities that FORGOT them Selves in the mutual exchange of Eternal wisdom over the Barren land in which ADAMU was forced to listen to them reminding himself of the emptyness that was there before they proclaimed it Heaven and prison at the same time.
And thus Adamu discerned wisdom of Form and Form without Wisdom
Tumah
Veteran Member
"And the Spirit of G-d floated on the face of the water" <---single place
Tabernacle <---single place
Temple <----single place
Mountain <----single place
Bush <----single place
Sleeppy
Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
God formed the man -- dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils breath of life, and the man became a living creature.
Tumah
Veteran Member
Sleeppy
Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
Tumah
Veteran Member
The first one is talking about G-d, not His Presence.
The second one is a Messianic prophecy and unrelated to our present circumstances. See Joel 3:1
Sleeppy
Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
You separate the two?
Sleeppy
Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
Verses 29, 30 are also unrelated to present circumstances?
Deuteronomy 30:36
Ezekiel 11:19
The problem with saying these things are Messianic prophecies, is the urgency accompanying very simple commands. Why put these things off?
Tumah
Veteran Member
I don't do nothing. G-d is everywhere yet something called His Spirit is still able to be in individual places. And wherever it goes, its clearly meant to signify His presence. See Ex. 40:35.
Then see Genesis 1:2, Deut. 31:15, 1 Sam. 10:10, 2 Sam 23:2, Isai. 59:21, Eze. 11:5, 24, Job 3:1
Also see Ex. 40:38 and take a look again at Ex. 3:2 and Ex. 19:18.
Joel 3 only has five verses. What book and/or chapter are you referring to.
The chapter doesn't have that many verses.
This as well seems to be a Messianic prophecy. See 11:17 that speaks about the in-gathering of exiles. The Second Temple didn't have an in-gathering from many lands, it had an ascent from Babylon.
That's a problem that you made up. They have demonstrably not been fulfilled, so your issue is clearly not an issue that the verse is uncomfortable with.
PeteC-UK
Active Member
Hi Folks..
Tumah ;
lol - to be fair to my own defense - I will simply state that there is now over 6000 years of religious and scientific and societal misinformation - that must first be pushed aside before the original Divine truth can surface once again.. Long detailed posts - VERY crucial - every sentance I say will raise lots of questions to the indoctrinated mind - it is designed to make you think on purpose - to think deeply - and so your questions are anticipated and catered for already..
As He tells me - and as the Wise men say - when the student is ready the teacher comes forth - and when the teacher speaks directly he will attract and call the student to him - so I write it all down - for those with ears to hear just as He bids - its for a spiritual progression - it will still be here at the approrpriate time - come back and read it again then whenever ready
Ratz;
NOT from a book gospel bible or teaching of men - but directly from His mind to mine - as He taught it should Be - if only we learned to listen to Him
Tumah ;
lol - to be fair to my own defense - I will simply state that there is now over 6000 years of religious and scientific and societal misinformation - that must first be pushed aside before the original Divine truth can surface once again.. Long detailed posts - VERY crucial - every sentance I say will raise lots of questions to the indoctrinated mind - it is designed to make you think on purpose - to think deeply - and so your questions are anticipated and catered for already..
As He tells me - and as the Wise men say - when the student is ready the teacher comes forth - and when the teacher speaks directly he will attract and call the student to him - so I write it all down - for those with ears to hear just as He bids - its for a spiritual progression - it will still be here at the approrpriate time - come back and read it again then whenever ready
Ratz;
NOT from a book gospel bible or teaching of men - but directly from His mind to mine - as He taught it should Be - if only we learned to listen to Him