Judge rules in favor of Baker refusing to make cake for same sex couple.

[Shad]

Half my family are orthodox Catholics. My close family friends who I consider family are all Christians of some flavour and every single one of them would find the baker's actions petty and un Jesus like. And half are even No voters on SSM! Even they wouldn't do this!

So? The case isn't about your family nor the views they hold.

If I have a negative characture of Christianity it is precisely because of stories like this one.

Understandable.

It is one thing to disagree about Jesus' teachings. It's quite another to hide behind Jesus to justify your ill treatment of your fellow man.

Which has been par for the course in a lot of history of the religion and it's politics.

Which needs no speculation as to whether or not Jesus would favour it. (Ahem Golden Rule anyone?)

Which has problems as a rule. A sadomasochistic for example turns the rule on it's head.

Then again perhaps most people I know are just able to act like a professional at their job. Who knows?

That isn't unusual. It is common place really. However professionalism isn't always the highest priority as religion is higher for many.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

But they are if they want a wedding cake. Why would they want to buy from a bigot?

My town of 30,000 people only has one bakery that does custom cakes. If you add the next town over, you probably get 2 more. Most or all of them are 1- or 2-person operations that can only do 1 or 2 wedding cakes per weekend. There's a very high likelihood that for any given weekend in wedding season, a couple getting married would be in the situation of having to choose between a cake from one particular baker or no cake at all.

 

[columbus]

out anti-discrimination laws, the government is "meddling" in all sorts of ways.

I don't like having the government feeling entitled to meddle in any way, especially when it's counterproductive.

If all the SJWs can find to "get woke" about is wedding cakes, then it's time for them to ride off into the sunset. Or at least get jobs.
Tom

 

[Holdasown]

The baker also said that he doesn't bake cakes for adult-themed parties (both heterosexual and homosexual). Do you view that as bigotry also? My point is that it is a more nuanced issue than you may realize.

They don't do adult cakes for ANYONE. Also, comparing a wedding cake and pornography is pretty stupid on the bakers part.

 

[Holdasown]

My town of 30,000 people only has one bakery that does custom cakes. If you add the next town over, you probably get 2 more. Most or all of them are 1- or 2-person operations that can only do 1 or 2 wedding cakes per weekend. There's a very high likelihood that for any given weekend in wedding season, a couple getting married would be in the situation of having to choose between a cake from one particular baker or no cake at all.

My point was why buy any cake from someone who wouldn't do your wedding cake cause your gay.

 

[Jainarayan]

My point was why buy any cake from someone who wouldn't do your wedding cake cause your gay.

Might not know the baker is a 'phobe until you order the cake.

 

[Akivah]

We should get rid of most of the laws. They're obsolete, and now generally used as a provocation.

Now you're talking!

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Well, who else but homosexuals has a homosexual wedding?

A same-sex wedding, you mean? Bisexuals.

 

[Jainarayan]

A same-sex wedding, you mean? Bisexuals.

Yes, thank you. The devil is in the details.

 

[columbus]

Now you're talking!

I have been saying the same thing for years.

Now my question is, "Why do religionists keep going on about this nonsense?" Why do they want to be part of a society that has these laws?
They act like they're a persecuted minority, instead of the overwhelming majority that they are. Christians are the dominant cultural group in the USA.
Pretending that they are a small cult, under fire from a dominant majority, is a lying sack of poop. Christians run this country. And pretty much the world. Abrahamic religionists certainly do.
From Israel to Saudi Arabia to USA, the religion that shaped the world is Abrahamic religion.
Tom

 

[Willamena]

It's just a poor business model that excludes a portion of your customer base.

 

[YmirGF]

It's just a poor business model that excludes a portion of your customer base.

Then again we are Canadians and therefore somewhat more liberal on these matters. Even to this angry old privileged gay neocon white male, I can't quite wrap my tiny brain around why it is even an issue. Just make the damned cake.

From my direct experience, one of the cardinal rules in customer service is never to bring up religion or politics. You just don't do it.

 

[Revoltingest]

Then again we are Canadians and therefore somewhat more liberal on these matters. Even to this angry old privileged gay neocon white male, I can't quite wrap my tiny brain around why it is even an issue. Just make the damned cake.

From my direct experience, one of the cardinal rules in customer service is never to bring up religion or politics. You just don't do it.

For some of us, it's easier to avoid letting religion interfere with our business.
But for those who have one, particularly a fundamental one, things are different.

 

[YmirGF]

For some of us, it's easier to avoid letting religion interfere with our business.
But for those who have one, particularly a fundamental one, things are different.

Then put huge crosses and religious icons everywhere. No doubt that would help. *giggles*

 

[Rational Agnostic]

They don't do adult cakes for ANYONE. Also, comparing a wedding cake and pornography is pretty stupid on the bakers part.

What do you mean? If I were a baker I'd bake cakes for porn stars and strip club parties, no problem, but I respect his choice not to.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

When are we all going to get over this idiotic bumpf?!

I know somebody who was stabbed to death with a screw-driver, but when I ask myself, did the manufacturer think it was making a weapon, or feel guilt for it? Of course not!

Baking a cake is baking a cake. It is not condoning marriage, straight or gay. It is not condoning birthdays, retirement, or any other kind of celebration. It is nothing more than baking a damned cake. Ask the chef who is making 5 orders of the daily special whether he would only make 4 of them if he knew that one of the customers was black, or gay, or Muslim, or atheist. Is he condoning any of those things, or is he just doing his job -- cooking?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

At then end of the day, what the baker is really doing is simply admitting their own prejudice and hatred. They are allowed to have those, by the way, but I don't find them to be anything that I'd like to celebrate.

 

[Sha'irullah]

No, you're not right. The analogy is invalid. It is encouraging an illegal activity. Same sex marriage is not illegal.

It is indifferent as to whether or not it is illegal. Again, still valid the same way that murder is valid without prosecution in films or literature.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I wonder how many people would feel if a customer walked into a bakery and asked the baker to write on the cake how he or she would like to murder the baker's children . . . for a joke. Or maybe a pedophiliac message on the cake.

I mean the baker has to comply after all . . . am I right?

The form and design of the cake is the baker's artistic expression, so your hypotheticals miss the point.

Here's the overall principle:
- nobody can dictate to the business what sorts of products they will or won't sell.
- nobody can dictate to the business what sorts of cake designs they will or won't be willing to do.
- once the business decides that they'll offer a particular range of products with a particular range of designs to the public, they can't use illegal discrimination to decide who they will or won't sell them to.

 

[Sha'irullah]

The form and design of the cake is the baker's artistic expression, so your hypotheticals miss the point.

Here's the overall principle:
- nobody can dictate to the business what sorts of products they will or won't sell.
- nobody can dictate to the business what sorts of cake designs they will or won't be willing to do.
- once the business decides that they'll offer a particular range of products with a particular range of designs to the public, they can't use illegal discrimination to decide who they will or won't sell them to.

Again with people putting their foot in their mouths. If that is the case then the baker definitely should not have made a cake for anything he does not approve. Why on earth would you give me a refutation to your own thinking?

But thank you for further proving me right.