'Judge Won't Hear Gay Adoptions Because They're Not in a Child's 'Best Interest'"

[Shadow Wolf]

In all seriousness, I find religion icky....

Me too. But many I don't find icky because they are gunning for my rights, my friend's rights, my neighbor's rights, and even the rights of those who follow the same religion but not exactly as they do. If religion would completely and entirely be removed from the political process then I might be able to view them as just icky....but then again "kill those who don't want me to reign over them" is a harrowing commandment coming from this "benevolent," "merciful," and "loving" "lamb." At least the Quran gives a list of exemptions and criteria and other things before launching war and slaying the infidels.

 

[Revoltingest]

Me too. But many I don't find icky because they are gunning for my rights, my friend's rights, my neighbor's rights, and even the rights of those who follow the same religion but not exactly as they do. If religion would completely and entirely be removed from the political process then I might be able to view them as just icky....but then again "kill those who don't want me to reign over them" is a harrowing commandment coming from this "benevolent," "merciful," and "loving" "lamb." At least the Quran gives a list of exemptions and criteria and other things before launching war and slaying the infidels.

I dislike the "slaying the infidels" part.

 

[Skwim]

It is indeed impossible for a person to be 100% free of bias and prejudice. That's just something that comes along with the territory of being human.

Not to be free of them, but in one's work (as judge in this case) to set them aside.


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[Kenny]

Who cares if something someone does is icky? If it's not hurting anyone, why become so obsessed over what you find "icky" that you end up hurting yourself?

I don't get obsessed. My point has nothing to do with "who cares" but rather "laws prohibit certain liberties"

 

[Kenny]

So you really don't see a difference between raping a child (causing harm and trauma to an innocent victim), and consensual sex between too adults (causing harm and trauma to no one)?

Of course one can construct an obvious dichotomy of positions.

But do you see a difference between smoking a cigarette and second hand smoking. Do we stop all smokers because of damage through second hand smoking?

There is nothing subjective about consequences that can be experienced and observed.

This is subjectivity. Safe zones is all about subjectivity as people are traumatized by the election of one said "Donald Trump" (Don't want to make the election an issue--but there was an observed experience that some people would say it was harmful to them while someone else would say "get a life")

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

But do you see a difference between smoking a cigarette and second hand smoking. Do we stop all smokers because of damage through second hand smoking?

It appears that we do-- in many venues now. Even outdoor eateries are prohibiting smoking, due to concerns with 2nd hand smoke.

And now, in several states, it has become illegal to smoke in the privacy of their own cars-- if children (minors) are also in the car....

I make no comment in favor or against such laws, only to point out that it is happening.

 

[Father Heathen]

But do you see a difference between smoking a cigarette and second hand smoking. Do we stop all smokers because of damage through second hand smoking?

Because smoking does impact others it is restricted in public areas, but people are still free to smoke within their own homes, vehicles, etc.
But what does this have to do with homosexuality? Unlike smoking homosexuality isn't harmful to homosexuals, much less to others."

This is subjectivity. Safe zones is all about subjectivity as people are traumatized by the election of one said "Donald Trump" (Don't want to make the election an issue--but there was an observed experience that some people would say it was harmful to them while someone else would say "get a life")

"Safe zones" have nothing do to with the legal system.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Not to be free of them, but in one's work (as judge in this case) to set them aside.

No one can remain neutral and unbiased in all positions. Everyone holds them over different things. Really, that he recused himself is rather quiet the favor for homosexuals wanting to adopt.

but rather "laws prohibit certain liberties"

Some of those laws, prohibit freedoms unfairly based on nothing more than religious mythos, whiny excuses, fantasies, and ideals that laws should never be based on.

But do you see a difference between smoking a cigarette and second hand smoking. Do we stop all smokers because of damage through second hand smoking?

Actually, yes, and many places have nearly banned all forms of public smoking.

 

[Kenny]

Because smoking does impact others it is restricted in public areas, but people are still free to smoke within their own homes, vehicles, etc.
But what does this have to do with homosexuality? Unlike smoking homosexuality isn't harmful to homosexuals, much less to others."


"Safe zones" have nothing do to with the legal system.

We've deviated from the OP.

But as far as your statement if homosexuality is harmful... why is their mortality rate much less than a heterosexual?

 

[Kenny]

No one can remain neutral and unbiased in all positions. Everyone holds them over different things. Really, that he recused himself is rather quiet the favor for homosexuals wanting to adopt.
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Yes... he did the right thing.

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Some of those laws, prohibit freedoms unfairly
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Yes, and not limited to religious, secular et al biased reasons

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Actually, yes, and many places have nearly banned all forms of public smoking.

But many innocent children are at risk in homes.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Because smoking does impact others it is restricted in public areas, but people are still free to smoke within their own homes, vehicles, etc.

Not anymore. Some states now prohibit smoking in a car, if there are minors in the care with you...

Is it illegal to smoke in a car around children? Yes...and no

I note that in England and Wales it is also illegal to smoke in front of minors, in cars...

 

[columbus]

But as far as your statement if homosexuality is harmful... why is their mortality rate much less than a heterosexual?

Because growing up in a homophobic environment causes all sorts of psychological issues. That commonly results in dysfunctional and self destructive behavior.
Tom

 

[Father Heathen]

We've deviated from the OP.

But as far as your statement if homosexuality is harmful... why is their mortality rate much less than a heterosexual?

Care to share any sources? Preferably any that are not biased or dated.

 

[columbus]

Care to share any sources? Preferably any that are not biased or dated.

All I have to offer is thirty years experience with the gay community.
What he said is true. Especially during the HIV disaster, the average male life expectancy was like 45 or something dreadful like that. Things have improved a great deal as the stigma of homosexuality has ebbed.
Tom

 

[Kenny]

Care to share any sources? Preferably any that are not biased or dated.

Because growing up in a homophobic environment causes all sorts of psychological issues. That commonly results in dysfunctional and self destructive behavior.
Tom

I'm not sure that is the reason why (although psychological issues also contribute)... it seems like there is a greater chance for disease.

Gay Men and STDs | Sexually Transmitted Diseases | CDC

Diseases are probable more rampant between men.

Anal Sex Safety and Health Concerns

 

[SomeRandom]

I'm not sure that is the reason why (although psychological issues also contribute)... it seems like there is a greater chance for disease.

Gay Men and STDs | Sexually Transmitted Diseases | CDC

Diseases are probable more rampant between men.

Anal Sex Safety and Health Concerns

Yeah men who have anal sex. Someone once mentioned (and I agree) that because there's no risk for pregnancy there's less chance condoms would be used. So yeah less condoms equal greater chance of STI exposure.
Sexual promiscuity and complacency is rather common among the youth and experimental acts probably do contribute towards the spread of STIs. Not necessarily gay men. Because homosexual acts do not automatically constitute homosexuality or even bisexuality.
Although the stats are often reversed for gay women. Does that mean homosexuality is okay among women since they are less likely than their heterosexual counterparts to contract STDs?
So while there does need to be more available information and encouragement of regular testing, this isn't like it's happening simply because of homosexuality existing.
I mean no offence but a lot of the Sex Ed curriculum in America (I know this varies considerably) is absolutely abysmal. Nothing about it seems to foster healthy attitudes towards sex.

Not saying ours is any better, but I'm just saying.

 

[Kenny]

Yeah men who have anal sex. Someone once mentioned (and I agree) that because there's no risk for pregnancy there's less chance condoms would be used. So yeah less condoms equal greater chance of STI exposure.
Sexual promiscuity and complacency is rather common among the youth and experimental acts probably do contribute towards the spread of STIs. Not necessarily gay men or homosexual men. Because homosexual acts do not automatically constitute homosexuality or even bisexuality.
Although the stats are often reversed for gay women. Does that mean homosexuality is okay among women since they are less likely than their heterosexual counterparts to contract STDs?

??? I asked a simple question. Do you have a better answer that the statistics show?

If your position is correct, we would have corresponding statistics for youth.

I gave non-biased statistical evidence... which one are you contending with? I wasn't the one picking on homosexuality, the report picked on homosexuality.

I gave supportive documented evidence (non-biased).

For the record, I support anybody's right to be a homosexual, a Christian, Buddhist or atheist et al.

 

[SomeRandom]

??? I asked a simple question. Do you have a better answer that the statistics show?

If your position is correct, we would have corresponding statistics for youth.

I gave non-biased statistical evidence... which one are you contending with? I wasn't the one picking on homosexuality, the report picked on homosexuality.

I gave supportive documented evidence (non-biased).

For the record, I support anybody's right to be a homosexual, a Christian, Buddhist or atheist et al.

The CDC report you linked to actually distinguishes between homosexual men and men who have sex with men (MSM.) They are not the same thing according to the study. It also stresses the importance of testing and safe sex, it does not indicate one way or the other whether or not homosexuality or homosexual acts in and of themselves constitute higher STI rates. Just that those who engage in such acts appear to be at a higher risk. But that's a correlation at best.
I don't know how many studies the US does on the youth with regards to sexuality. But saying promiscuity occurs among the youth is sort of like saying water is wet. But sure, here you go.

Sexual Behaviors | Adolescent and School Health | CDC


Again it indicates LGBT youth are at higher risk, but I don't know what societal pressures these youth encounters.

 

[Kenny]

The CDC report you linked to actually distinguishes between homosexual men and men who have sex with men (MSM.) They are not the same thing according to the study. It also stresses the importance of testing and safe sex, it does not indicate one way or the other whether or not homosexuality or homosexual acts in and of themselves constitute higher STI rates. Just that those who engage in such acts appear to be at a higher risk. But that's a correlation at best.
I don't know how many studies the US does on the youth with regards to sexuality. But saying promiscuity occurs among the youth is sort of like saying water is wet. But sure, here you go.

Sexual Behaviors | Adolescent and School Health | CDC


Again it indicates LGBT youth are at higher risk, but I don't know what societal pressures these youth encounters.

Any medical profession that sees a "correlation" sees more than "at best".

But yes... youth promiscuity is real. It's quite interesting how it is promoted from the rooftops and then criticized when its a problem.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

"Judge W. Mitchell Nance, who begins court each day by requiring everyone to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance, said in an order this week that he would recuse himself from all adoptions involving gay people.

Nance cited a judicial ethics rule that says a judge must disqualify himself when he has a personal bias or prejudice.

He said in the order issued Thursday that “as a matter of conscience” he believes that “under no circumstance” would “the best interest of the child be promoted by the adoption by a practicing homosexual." Kentucky state law allows gay couples to adopt, and the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 2015 that all states must permit same-sex marriage."
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Regardless of the judge's asinine view of homosexuals and adoption, at least he had brains enough to recuse himself. That said, I have to agree with what Chris Hartman, director of the Fairness Campaign [which isn't explained] said, “If he can’t do the job, he shouldn’t have the job.”

Thoughts?

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If he's so prejudiced against gay people that he feels he can't deal with same-sex adoptions, then the likelihood is probably high that his prejuduce is influencing other cases he hears involving gay people that he isn't recusing himself from.