Judgement

[`mud]

Ahhhhhhh....judgment....non-dominational...neutrality...
that's the question....devolution is the now !
~
'mud

 

[Sleeppy]

Except when He does.

PS7:8-9
8 From heaven you pronounced judgment,
and the land feared and was quiet—
when you, God, rose up to judge,
to save all the afflicted of the land.

Ecclesiastes 11:9
You who are young, be happy while you are young,
and let your heart give you joy in the days of your youth.
Follow the ways of your heart
and whatever your eyes see,
but know that for all these things
God will bring you into judgment.

Isaiah 33:22
For the Lord is our judge,
the Lord is our lawgiver,

Isaiah 66:16
For with fire and with his sword
the Lord will execute judgment on all people

2 Timothy 4:8
Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day

Hebrews 12:23
to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the Judge of all, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect

Ezekiel 33:20
Yet you Israelites say, ‘The way of the Lord is not just.’ But I will judge each of you according to your own ways.”

Ecclesiastes 3:17
“God will bring into judgment
both the righteous and the wicked,
for there will be a time for every activity,
a time to judge every deed.

From perspectives within time, where egos are permitted, all are subject to delusions of ownership. And thereby, we perceive ourselves as arbiters of judgement, further attributing ignorance of time to God.

 

[rusra02]

ok....and I might have to agree....

but maybe the choice is not ours?

what if the Almighty wants to surround Himself with a 'better' crowd?
and you end up getting a Lord further down the line of hierarchy.....

the choosing might not be ours to make

Happily, that is not the case with the true God. I believe it is as the Bible says; "God is not partial, but in every nation the man who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him." (Acts 10:34,35)

 

[rusra02]

Picking the right God doesn't seem to make people happy either, necessarily. For the most part, the very religious people I know are the unhappiest people I know. Those I know who are very religious tend to view the world very negatively...angry about homosexuality, convinced the world is turning evil, falling apart, that they are an island of morality in a sea of despicable filth and sin.

I'm not talking about the mildly religious folks I know, I'm talking about the more devout, heavily religious people. They seem to be a very serious, joyless bunch, preoccupied with the actions of others and negatively judging everyone around them. Again, it's not an absolute, but I know a ton of religious people for whom their faith/worldview doesn't seem to result in a happy life.

Yes, that is true, but should not be the case for those who serve "the happy God". (1 Timothy 1:11 NWT) Philippians 4:4 exhorts true Christians: "Always rejoice in the Lord. Again I will say, Rejoice."

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

We are seeing wickedness being separated from righteousness, every day.


Our social empathy is on the precipice of evolution, but devolution is challenging it.

Not the answer I was expecting but damn, that's refreshing!

 

[Sleeppy]

we humans learn a great deal in the span of our lifetime
but I don't think it's ignorance that stymies our going to heaven

more like arrogance

I do believe if we share the presence of God and heaven.....
it's because we belong there
and heaven knows what it looks for

Our Father is not able to be subverted. But, as children we are permitted to believe within spacetime. Our Father is perfect, and we traverse perfection, as we pursue it.

 

[Demonslayer]

From perspectives within time, where egos are permitted, all are subject to delusions of ownership. And thereby, we perceive ourselves as arbiters of judgement, further attributing ignorance of time to God.

Say what?

 

[Aupmanyav]

Happily, that is not the case with the true God. I believe it is as the Bible says; "God is not partial, but in every nation the man who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him." (Acts 10:34,35)

So, we can get away without accepting Jesus? Or that is a necessary condition? Why must I fear God if I am righteous?

 

[Sleeppy]

Say what?

The language these authors used was either for the sake of convenience, out of ignorance, or both.

Judgement requires ignorance. An all-knowing being makes no judgements, because judgements are functions of ignorance within spacetime. The all-knowing must encapsulate the entirety of cause and effect, "an eternity" in each direction, irrespective of conscious and social perspective. It is true that God is no respecter of persons - but Moses, the person to whom this revelation is attributed, was a respecter of persons, as were the other Israeli nationalist prophets, including Jesus.

 

[Demonslayer]

The language these authors used was either for the sake of convenience, out of ignorance, or both.

There are over 100 times in the Bible where it describes God judging. Judging humans, judging the earth, judging everything.

In fact isn't the entirety of Christianity based completely on the fact that God will judge us all in the end, and that's why we're supposed to worship Jesus? You're saying this was all a big mistake? If so and God will never judge any of us, why bother being good and/or following Christianity?

 

[Sleeppy]

There are over 100 times in the Bible where it describes God judging. Judging humans, judging the earth, judging everything.

In fact isn't the entirety of Christianity based completely on the fact that God will judge us all in the end, and that's why we're supposed to worship Jesus? You're saying this was all a big mistake? If so and God will never judge any of us, why bother being good and/or following Christianity?

Jesus said, "The Father Himself judges no one, but all judgement is given to the Son" of Man i.e. mankind.

Men attribute ignorance of time to God. We take ownership of the times we inhabit, and that entire concept is called judgement. We perceive ourselves judges of what is, and what should be.

 

[Demonslayer]

Jesus said, "The Father Himself judges no one

Which, unsurprisingly, contradicts 100 other statements in the Bible that tell us God judges like crazy.

 

[Sleeppy]

Which, unsurprisingly, contradicts 100 other statements in the Bible that tell us God judges like crazy.

Language is a fallible measure of reality. We can't continue to seriously entertain the idea that it is infallible in Bible, or elsewhere.

 

[Demonslayer]

Language is a fallible measure of reality.

Perhaps, but you're using language to assert your ideas as well. It's not like we have much choice until the day we develop telepathy.

 

[First Baseman]

11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small,standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

 

[Sleeppy]

Perhaps, but you're using language to assert your ideas as well. It's not like we have much choice until the day we develop telepathy.

Right. But language, including telepathy, will always be subject to perceptive capacities within time. That's more the point I'm getting at.

It is more palatable to say God created the Earth, the stars, the moon, the heavens etc., as if functioning subject to time. But, it is more accurate to say that God is static and all-knowing, in that beings within time perceive change within the knowledge spectrum.

 

[Demonslayer]

Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it.

Jon Snow?

 

[Sapiens]

Picking the wrong Lord or God seems a sure path to an unhappy future.

You're in luck. It is not possible to choose wrong, your choice will have no effect and is without meaning.

 

[Demonslayer]

But, it is more accurate to say that God is static and all-knowing

When you say "accurate" how do you know? What makes your assertion "accurate" compared to someone else's? None of this is knowable in any way after all. Aren't you just projecting your particular imagining of God?

 

[Sleeppy]

When you say "accurate" how do you know? What makes your assertion "accurate" compared to someone else's? None of this is knowable in any way after all. Aren't you just projecting your particular imagining of God?

We will make that judgement. We'll continue to look at the insights of the sciences and narrow the road. I am suggesting a fatalist universal model, namely the Now Theory of Time.

http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2012-09/book-excerpt-there-no-such-thing-time