Just Accidental?

[Deeje]

This is the point where I kind of feel sorry for you Deeje. The patterns in your behaviors are so transparent, it's like reading a hypothetical case history from a psychology 101 textbook. Two things are readily apparent here: 1) every bit of your behavior here is a direct result of the threat of personal ruin your church has you under, and 2) you are not emotionally strong enough to confront that abusive situation.

And of course this is not a total distraction from the fact that this pathetic bit of amateur psychoanalysis is showing us what you've got by way of addressing the topic of this thread.

Nice try.

 

[Deeje]

Can you show me where anyone in my profession has threatened me with personal ruin if I deviate from their "teachings"?

Try teaching something other than what their rules dictate, regardless of your personal convictions.

Here's something interesting......

"Did humans evolve or were they created?
Students were asked which of three explanations was closest to their understanding of how human beings originated. Their responses varied considerably by their religious belief, as the graph below shows.



Students’ opinions about origin of human life (by faith)
Most of those with no faith said humans had developed over millions of years but God “had no part in this process”, meaning they accepted evolution. More than half the Christian students thought they had “developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life and God had some part in this process”. Most Muslim students believed humans were “created by God pretty much in their current form”, meaning they believed in creationism.

This pattern was reflected in the type of school attended. More than 80% at the majority-Muslim school believed in creationism, whereas nearly 60% of those at the Christian school thought humans had developed over time with some divine involvement. A quarter at the Christian school accepted evolution without divine involvement.

Although half those at the mixed catchment, non-faith schools accepted evolution without any divine involvement, around one in three thought God had played some part in the development of humans and 10%, a significant minority, believed in creationism."

Can schools find way through creationism-meets-science minefield in the classroom?

This is proof that the education system in which we are taught anything about science, has a real impact on what we believe and is heavily dependent upon the beliefs of the school and its teachers. The graph tells the story. "Christian" schools were the most undecided....swayed by the "evidence" produced by scientists.....fell for the con job more like it.

If you tried to teach creation to a secular classroom, you would lose your job. And if you tried to teach evolution in a Muslim school, likewise you would be shown the door.

God is not allowed in Universities, so if you tried to even suggest the intervention of an Intelligent Creator, you would likewise lose your job.

 

[Mister Silver]

God is not allowed in Universities, so if you tried to even suggest the intervention of an Intelligent Creator, you would likewise lose your job.

If god is so great, so powerful, doesn't he exist wherever he wants, including universities?

It's not the atheist that prevents him from being wherever he wants to be, especially if god is so powerful.

Rather, it's the religious person unwilling to accept that god is anywhere and everywhere despite what society thinks, isn't that correct?

Here I am, the atheist schooling the theist. Sad.

 

[Deeje]

I'm sorry, but I fail to see how those two types of faith are the same. Especially given that the second type of "faith" is the one that has resulted in producing all knowledge we currently hold about the world we live in.

Ah...and therein lies the problem. Its a bit like conspiracy theories.....among them is the odd genuine article, but because they are all lumped in together, you will find it hard to pick the real story from the fake ones.

True and provable science is an asset to all of us, but hidden in amongst the amazing revelations about so many wonderful things in nature is the "theoretical" stuff that has no basis in fact at all. Surrounded by all the good things, they hope you won't notice their complete lack of substantive evidence.

 

[Deeje]

You recall wrong, all you need to remember is "classic argument from ignorance."
He does not even write in intelligible sentences.
Another classic argument from ignorance.
Another classic argument from ignorance.
Another classic argument from ignorance, but then you've always been a one trick pony and that trick is not even a good one.

Blah, blah, blah, Sapiens......very informative.

 

[Deeje]

If god is so great, so powerful, doesn't he exist wherever he wants, including universities?

It's not the atheist that prevents him from being wherever he wants to be, especially if god is so powerful.

Rather, it's the religious person unwilling to accept that god is anywhere and everywhere despite what society thinks, isn't that correct?

Here I am, the atheist schooling the theist. Sad.

Actually, what's sad is that those who seek to judge God, do so as if he is answerable to humans. He exists and will demonstrate his existence only to those who acknowledge him and give him credit where it is due. He doesn't need us to fulfill his purpose in creation....we need him and everything he has provided to keep us living. Nothing is preventing him from being where he wants to be.....he doesn't want a bar of this world for the reason he offers. (1 John 5:19) He exists outside of it and tells his worshippers to be no part of it either. Godless humans, on the other hand are destroying the only home we have. Science has contributed more to this situation than religion ever knew how to. Do they have solutions to the mess they have created down here? I can't see any.

I believe that the Creator is just observing at a distance, who is seeking him, and who wants to dismiss him in favor of their own preferences. He doesn't jump up and down and wave his arms to get anyone's attention.....he doesn't have to. He shows us who he is by what he has made.

We humans are deciding our own future for ourselves, based on what is the main motivator in our lives. I think its a brilliant strategy actually. He is giving humanity "enough rope"......

 

[Mister Silver]

Actually, what's sad is that those who seek to judge God, do so as if he is answerable to humans. He exists and will demonstrate his existence only to those who acknowledge him and give him credit where it is due. He doesn't need us to fulfill his purpose in creation....we need him and everything he has provided to keep us living. Nothing is preventing him from being where he wants to be.....he doesn't want a bar of this world for the reason he offers. (1 John 5:19) He exists outside of it and tells his worshippers to be no part of it either. Godless humans, on the other hand are destroying the only home we have. Science has contributed more to this situation than religion ever knew how to. Do they have solutions to the mess they have created down here? I can't see any.

I believe that the Creator is just observing at a distance, who is seeking him, and who wants to dismiss him in favor of their own preferences. He doesn't jump up and down and wave his arms to get anyone's attention.....he doesn't have to. He shows us who he is by what he has made.

We humans are deciding our own future for ourselves, based on what is the main motivator in our lives. I think its a brilliant strategy actually. He is giving humanity "enough rope"......

At least I can admit when I'm wrong. Clearly, the same cannot be stated for you.

 

[Deeje]

eating animals to survive isn't exactly a divine plan. why would God create such a predicament?

the universe is savage and indifferent to life.

where's all the perfection in the universe?

Actually, in the beginning, all humans were vegans. The only flesh eaters were carrion creatures as nature's garbage collectors. It was only when the Creator handed rulership of this world over to a pretender with something to prove, that everything went belly up. If you are going to speak of a "divine plan"...at least know what "plan" you're talking about....

 

[Deeje]

At least I can admit when I'm wrong. Clearly, the same cannot be stated for you.

Seriously MS.....that was a response? Why do you bother?

 

[Mister Silver]

Seriously MS.....that was a response? Why do you bother?

I could ask the same of you. You keep peddling the same stuff in here as though it's knowledge, and we keep informing you of how wrong you are. You must simply be a glutton for punishment.

 

[Deeje]

I could ask the same of you. You keep peddling the same stuff in here as though it's knowledge, and we keep informing you of how wrong you are.

Who is "we"?

Don't you mean "they".....what have you ever contributed to this thread except sniper fire?

You must simply be a glutton for punishment.

Either that or I have a truth that manure keeps getting thrown at by a bunch of mushrooms.....I like to remove the manure so that what is under it doesn't get soiled. I like mushrooms for breakfast.

 

[Sapiens]

Blah, blah, blah, Sapiens......very informative.

That's real useful, at least my description of your contribution as "another argument from ignorance" is both diagnostic and useful. That is what you do, you argue from ignorance. Virtually every thought you advance stresses your incredulity that things could have happened the way they did and you then make the jump to so "god did it" with no evidence other than your subjective incredulity ... that is the form of an argument from ignorance meshed with an argument from incredulity ... both are logical fallacies, and that's all you have to offer. Talk about blah, blah, blah!

 

[Sapiens]

Actually, what's sad is that those who seek to judge God, do so as if he is answerable to humans. He exists and will demonstrate his existence only to those who acknowledge him and give him credit where it is due. He doesn't need us to fulfill his purpose in creation....we need him and everything he has provided to keep us living. Nothing is preventing him from being where he wants to be.....he doesn't want a bar of this world for the reason he offers. (1 John 5:19) He exists outside of it and tells his worshippers to be no part of it either. Godless humans, on the other hand are destroying the only home we have. Science has contributed more to this situation than religion ever knew how to. Do they have solutions to the mess they have created down here? I can't see any.

No evidence, just fantasy.

I believe that the Creator is just observing at a distance, who is seeking him, and who wants to dismiss him in favor of their own preferences. He doesn't jump up and down and wave his arms to get anyone's attention.....he doesn't have to. He shows us who he is by what he has made.

See: fantasy, incredulity and ignorance, exactly as I mentioned in my last post.

We humans are deciding our own future for ourselves, based on what is the main motivator in our lives. I think its a brilliant strategy actually. He is giving humanity "enough rope"......

See: fantasy, incredulity and ignorance, exactly as I mentioned in my last post.

Actually, in the beginning, all humans were vegans. The only flesh eaters were carrion creatures as nature's garbage collectors. It was only when the Creator handed rulership of this world over to a pretender with something to prove, that everything went belly up. If you are going to speak of a "divine plan"...at least know what "plan" you're talking about....

Once again,
fantasy, incredulity and ignorance.

 

[Spiderman]

There's a lot of ugliness out there too. Kind of like the Father who watches his child get raped and tortured to death and does nothing to help or afflicts a child with cancer or HIV. Yes, I'm talking about God.

 

[Deeje]

There's a lot of ugliness out there too. Kind of like the Father who watches his child get raped and tortured to death and does nothing to help or afflicts a child with cancer or HIV. Yes, I'm talking about God.

You think God does that?

 

[Spiderman]

You think God does that?

Yes. He could easily prevent it and he chooses not to, so he is responsible.

 

[Spiderman]

The devil prowls like a roaring lion, but only with God's permission. God is responsible for everything Satan does in the same way a Father is responsible for a lion devouring his children if he lets the lion in the room with his kids. God created Satan knowing what he would do. God wanted it to happen.

God could restrain Satan or make him cease to exist, hence God is responsible for the evil in our world and wants it to be there.

 

[Deeje]

Yes. He could easily prevent it and he chooses not to, so he is responsible.

What if there are very valid reasons for why he doesn't prevent the devil from causing and spreading human suffering?

What if you were a parent of a beloved child with a life threatening genetic defect and the doctors told you that the only way to permanently fix it was with a series of very painful surgeries over many years? Would your first concern be the pain....or the end result of what caused that pain? Think about that before answering.....

The devil prowls like a roaring lion, but only with God's permission. God is responsible for everything Satan does in the same way a Father is responsible for a lion devouring his children if he lets the lion in the room with his kids. God created Satan knowing what he would do. God wanted it to happen.

Why do you think there is this "roaring lion" in the first place? You do understand that God did not create the devil...he is entirely self-made. Just as a murderer or a thief is not born a murderer or thief, but chooses to become one by the exercise if his own free will.....so the devil made himself a "slanderer" (devil) by calling God a liar, and a resister (satan) by abusing his free will and becoming God's adversary. What possible reason could God have for not dispatching him immediately?

God could restrain Satan or make him cease to exist, hence God is responsible for the evil in our world and wants it to be there.

God will restrain satan shortly, but not until he is finished with him. There is so much more to this story than you think.
The big picture is amazing PoD, but not many are taught to see it. They seem to be left staring at a few dead pixels and scratching their heads.

The next thing, they pointing fingers at God and accusing him of not caring.....nothing could be further from the truth.

 

[Spiderman]

What if there are very valid reasons for why he doesn't prevent the devil from causing and spreading human suffering?

What if you were a parent of a beloved child with a life threatening genetic defect and the doctors told you that the only way to permanently fix it was with a series of very painful surgeries over many years? Would your first concern be the pain....or the end result of what caused that pain? Think about that before answering.....



Why do you think there is this "roaring lion" in the first place? You do understand that God did not create the devil...he is entirely self-made. Just as a murderer or a thief is not born a murderer or thief, but chooses to become one by the exercise if his own free will.....so the devil made himself a "slanderer" (devil) by calling God a liar, and a resister (satan) by abusing his free will and becoming God's adversary. What possible reason could God have for not dispatching him immediately?



God will restrain satan shortly, but not until he is finished with him. There is so much more to this story than you think.
The big picture is amazing PoD, but not many are taught to see it. They seem to be left staring at a few dead pixels and scratching their heads.

The next thing, they pointing fingers at God and accusing him of not caring.....nothing could be further from the truth.

God knew Satan would fall before he ever made him. God knew what he was creating and the pain he would cause. God wanted it or he never would have made him.

Satan is God of this world because God wants him to be. If He didn't want it, he would stop it. Satan only gets to do what God gives him permission to do. Kind of like how he needed God's permission to kill Jobs family.

 

[ArtieE]

Science is telling us that the second proposition "must have" happened...but there is nothing to back this up but supposition. They doesn't really mean "must have"....but more "might have"......big difference.

Anyone looking to support evolution will immediately hang onto their explanations no matter how flimsy the evidence is. You have "beliefs"......can you not see that you are in no better position to tout your theory than we are to acknowledge the evidence for Intelligent Design?

You just repeated your usual mantra. Did your brain get stuck? Try answering the question this time.

"What if the sentence had said "There are four possible explanations for this observation. Either the species are closely related and both inherited their antifreeze genes from a common ancestor, or the antifreeze glycoproteins evolved independently in the two lineages or some god was involved or some aliens deliberately did it."? Then what? How should scientists proceed to find out the actual truth?"