Just for my own info but if God exists what can I do to get them to grant me a wish?

[Shiranui117]

So you want me to say that He's evil instead?

No, I'm saying that "good" and "nice" are not one and the same.

 

[Jos]

Well, if your will / wish is detrimental to you and others, why should he bother?
If some dame comes to you and says, 'I want you to get rid of my husband.' Would you bother with her?
I'm assuming you are not a hitman.

But my wish isn't detrimental to me or others. Isn't He supposed to allow us to do things to hurt ourselves anyway since He's so big on free will and allowing humans to make choices even self destructive ones, heck even in scripture itself it shows instances of Him giving people their wishes even when it was self destructive so why not do the same with me?

 

[Jos]

No, I'm saying that "good" and "nice" are not one and the same.

Ok sir, but how is that relevant to my post?

 

[nPeace]

But my wish isn't detrimental to me or others. Isn't He supposed to allow us to do things to hurt ourselves anyway since He's so big on free will and allowing humans to make choices even self destructive ones, heck even in scripture itself it shows instances of Him giving people their wishes even when it was self destructive so why not do the same with me?

Because he doesn't have to.
Just as you can decide to take the job, or not, but you don't have to.
In other words, we don't command God.
However, he does give you your wish - that is, free will / choice. That's why you are able to make the choices you do, right now.

No one here knows what special / specific wish you have in mind, so we don't even know if God has already granted it to you.
He may well have, but you may not see it.

If you don't see it, and it's something you should see directly, and immediately, then as the others suggested, that's where you might have to find that lamp, and give it a rub... and hope you're not only dreaming.

 

[viole]

Just for my own info but if God exists what can I do to get them to grant me a wish?

Well, praying is traditional. You just need to say “in Jesus name” at the end.

He always answers, except when He doesn’t.

Ciao

- ciole

 

[Shiranui117]

Ok sir, but how is that relevant to my post?

You asked why God wouldn't automatically grant your wish if He's all-good, and you followed up by saying that a nice God would grant your wish. I'm saying that God is good, but He's not going to just grant any wish that comes His way. He is good, and being good does not necessarily mean being nice.

 

[Jos]

Because he doesn't have to.
Just as you can decide to take the job, or not, but you don't have to.
In other words, we don't command God.
However, he does give you your wish - that is, free will / choice. That's why you are able to make the choices you do, right now.

No one here knows what special / specific wish you have in mind, so we don't even know if God has already granted it to you.
He may well have, but you may not see it.

If you don't see it, and it's something you should see directly, and immediately, then as the others suggested, that's where you might have to find that lamp, and give it a rub... and hope you're not only dreaming.

No it doesn't seem to have been granted but again scripture shows stories of God granting people their wish even though it would bring upon them pain and suffering so why has He stopped now? I don't get it, why's He playing favorites?

 

[Jos]

You asked why God wouldn't automatically grant your wish if He's all-good, and you followed up by saying that a nice God would grant your wish. I'm saying that God is good, but He's not going to just grant any wish that comes His way. He is good, and being good does not necessarily mean being nice.

And as I've pointed out earlier God supposedly had no problem granting people their wishes in scripture even though He knew it bring upon them pain and suffering, so why Has He changed now all of a sudden?

 

[Deeje]

No it doesn't seem to have been granted but again scripture shows stories of God granting people their wish even though it would bring upon them pain and suffering so why has He stopped now? I don't get it, why's He playing favorites?

The instances recorded in the Bible are just that. Examples recorded for our benefit.....we see the outcomes, either good or bad and can learn from them. That doesn't mean that God always grants wishes. He will answer prayers according to his will, not these are not wishes. There are no miracles anymore....not until the rule of the kingdom when all things will be sorted for good.

Good parents do not always accede to the desires of their children....it would just make them ungrateful, selfish brats. Good parents will say NO when it is appropriate, and mean it. Does it mean that they don't love their children? Hardly....its just the opposite.....they want them grow up to be mature adults, not whiny brats.

 

[nPeace]

No it doesn't seem to have been granted but again scripture shows stories of God granting people their wish even though it would bring upon them pain and suffering so why has He stopped now? I don't get it, why's He playing favorites?

He hasn't stopped. What makes you think he did?
Name the occasion where God granted people their wish, and compare it to today, and see if you come up with any difference.
Then post it here, let's see.

 

[nPeace]

The instances recorded in the Bible are just that. Examples recorded for our benefit.....we see the outcomes, either good or bad and can learn from them. That doesn't mean that God always grants wishes. He will answer prayers according to his will, not these are not wishes. There are no miracles anymore....not until the rule of the kingdom when all things will be sorted for good.

Good parents do not always accede to the desires of their children....it would just make them ungrateful, selfish brats. Good parents will say NO when it is appropriate, and mean it. Does it mean that they don't love their children? Hardly....its just the opposite.....they want them grow up to be mature adults, not whiny brats.

I think Jos is referring to occasions, like the one where God allowed Israel to choose their own king, and gave them one, after they asked. At least that's one occasion that comes to mind.

 

[Deeje]

I think Jos is referring to occasions, like the one where God allowed Israel to choose their own king, and gave them one, after they asked. At least that's one occasion that comes to mind.

Yep, he is a good parent....he always warns of the consequences, but never interferes with our choices. Experience is always the best teacher.

Those Bible examples are all designed to teach us something about ourselves and our relationship with God.

 

[Jos]

I'll respond later my, battery's low.

 

[Jos]

He hasn't stopped. What makes you think he did?
Name the occasion where God granted people their wish, and compare it to today, and see if you come up with any difference.
Then post it here, let's see.

I guess when He allowed Israel to worship other Gods I think and the occasion where He hasn't done it today is not by granting me my wish.

I think Jos is referring to occasions, like the one where God allowed Israel to choose their own king, and gave them one, after they asked. At least that's one occasion that comes to mind.

Yeah ones like that.

 

[Jos]

Yep, he is a good parent....he always warns of the consequences, but never interferes with our choices. Experience is always the best teacher.

Those Bible examples are all designed to teach us something about ourselves and our relationship with God.

But why stop granting wishes that end in pain and suffering like in scripture today if experience is the best teacher?

 

[nPeace]

I guess when He allowed Israel to worship other Gods I think and the occasion where He hasn't done it today is not by granting me my wish.

Allowing persons to do foolishness, is not something God has ever stopped doing.
If someone wishes for God to allow them to choose what they want to do, it's nothing they have to ask God for.
God gave them that from the beginning. Free will / choice, has always been a gift to men - from Adam, till now.

Yeah ones like that.

God still grants men their wish to choose their own king / ruler, government, etc. He never took that from them. That's all a part of free choice.

So really nothing has changed.

 

[Jos]

Allowing persons to do foolishness, is not something God has ever stopped doing.
If someone wishes for God to allow them to choose what they want to do, it's nothing they have to ask God for.
God gave them that from the beginning. Free will / choice, has always been a gift to men - from Adam, till now.

Right but that's different from affirmatively answering people's prayers, which he doesn't always do.

God still grants men their wish to choose their own king / ruler, government, etc. He never took that from them. That's all a part of free choice.

So really nothing has changed.

Right but didn't they pray for another leader?

 

[Deeje]

But why stop granting wishes that end in pain and suffering like in scripture today if experience is the best teacher?

Can you tell me exactly when you think God granted wishes? He has never prevented his worshippers from experiencing pain and suffering...not even his own son. Whilst we live in the devil's world system, we will suffer along with the rest. Why? Because it puts us all on even footing. If it was obvious that God protected his people and prevented anything bad from happening to them, then the only reason people would serve God is because of looking after themselves, not because they really loved him.

Faith is proven in adversity....God sees what motivates us. Do we care more about God than we do ourselves? If we consider the example of Job, we see that this righteous man maintained his faith under terrible trials. Job proved that his love for God was not selfish.

If you know why we are here, and not in the paradise that God intended for us in the beginning, then you would not need to ask those questions. Its not the time to grant wishes....its the time to teach lessons.

The only "wishes" granted to those in bible times had to do with the lessons that God wanted his people to learn. He wanted to teach them that their actions had consequences....both good and bad.

In the future, when he has established the rule of his Kingdom on earth, God will grant the proper desires of everyone living. We have to be patient whist he sorts people out, putting names in the book of life is dependent upon them having a heart that loves God in spite of what the devil is throwing at them to make them lose faith. The three things that satan attacked with Job were his valuable things......his health......and his self esteem. These are the things that he still uses to undermine people's faith. Is he winning? Unfortunately for those who don't want to know God...he is. But for those with faith like Job, he will never succeed.

 

[Jos]

Can you tell me exactly when you think God granted wishes?

Like when Israel wanted food from heaven and God only gave them quail and bread or something.

Unfortunately for those who don't want to know God...

I don't think recognizing who is the true God is simple since humans are fallible.

 

[nPeace]

Right but that's different from affirmatively answering people's prayers, which he doesn't always do.

This is something else you are now raising, yes?
God has always refused to answer person's prayers, in the past.
I'm not sure what you are now asking though.
Maybe elaborate.

Right but didn't they pray for another leader?

Not that I know of.