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Just sitting here watching Barrs testimony.

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
I am not doing your dirty work for you.

Investigations will begin soon to find the truth of that matter.

And I didn't make the accusation. Lindsey Graham and Barr did during Barrs testimony yesterday.

But you will just deny that as well because that's all you got.
That's funny.


Did you not say this? :

"The Mueller report has evidence of the FBI (illegally) spying on Trump during his campaign, at the behest of the Democratic party. That is an abuse of power as outlined by Barr.

You guys are totally ignoring the extreme abuse of power, and the illegal actions the Democrats used in 2016.

It's all right there written by Mueller in his report. You can't just keep pointing the finger at Trump hoping your fantastical fairy tale of lies will stick, when Mueller uncovered real corruption that puts Watergate to shame!

It's all a sick freaking joke."
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
Of course his testimony matters.

Not really it's just for political show. His report is what matters.

It's not Barr's to determine the conclusion of the obstruction. If you watched the testimony yesterday you'd know that. It's congress' responsibility.

Yes it was. Mueller could not come to a conclusion on obstruction based on the evidence he found. So he handed it over to Barr to make the call, and he did.

Congress makes law, they do not enforce them. It is the legislative branch, not the judiciary. Learn how your government works before spewing nonsense.

There was no evidence for criminal charges when it comes to "conspiracy or coordination." The report mentioned nothing about collusion, which isn't a crime.
Mueller found plenty of evidence of obstruction. Stop lying.

I never said collusion.

That's Dems term they used for the past 3 years.

The report clears Trump of conspiracy and obstruction.
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
That's funny.


Did you not say this? :

"The Mueller report has evidence of the FBI (illegally) spying on Trump during his campaign, at the behest of the Democratic party. That is an abuse of power as outlined by Barr.

You guys are totally ignoring the extreme abuse of power, and the illegal actions the Democrats used in 2016.

It's all right there written by Mueller in his report. You can't just keep pointing the finger at Trump hoping your fantastical fairy tale of lies will stick, when Mueller uncovered real corruption that puts Watergate to shame!

It's all a sick freaking joke."

Yeah it is you can go read it for yourself.

Have fun!
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Yeah it is you can go read it for yourself.

Have fun!
LOL
What a cop out.

Make a bunch of "factual" claims, then run for the hills when challenged. Weird how everybody else here managed to quote what the Mueller Report actually says but you get to just make stuff up and then tell other people the onus is on them to back up your claims.
o_O
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
LOL
What a cop out.

Make a bunch of "factual" claims, then run for the hills when challenged. Weird how everybody else here managed to quote what the Mueller Report actually says but you get to just make stuff up and then tell other people the onus is on them to back up your claims.
o_O

Nobody has cited any evidence.

Saying "there is substantial evidence" but then not actually citing it. Is not citing evidence lol.

Have a taste of your on medicine, hopefully it's not too salty for ya.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Mueller found no evidence to file charges on conspiracy or obstruction, and then Barr concured.
Correct in the issue of conspiracy but false on the issue of obstruction as far as Mueller is concerned. On the latter, Mueller left that up to Congress to pursue or drop, largely because a sitting president cannot be indicted. Mueller did not use the word "exonerate" with "obstruction" but did with [criminal] "collusion".

As far as "obstruction" is concerned, clearly Trump was trying over and over again to stop the investigation, which is what "obstruction" means, but Mueller could not recommend charges because that cannot be legally done with a sitting president.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Nobody has cited any evidence.

Saying "there is substantial evidence" but then not actually citing it. Is not citing evidence lol.

Have a taste of your on medicine, hopefully it's not too salty for ya.
Yes I am aware you have not cited any evidence from the Mueller Report to back up your claims that Clinton, Obama and the Dems have committed crimes.


Based on evidence Barr found.
Evidence he couldn't cite either.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
True, but Clinton, Obama, and the Dems are in hot water now. They tried to expose Trump for conspiracy and obstruction, only to expose their own dirty deeds. Poetic justice at its finest!
So now you're judge & jury. :(
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
Correct in the issue of conspiracy but false on the issue of obstruction as far as Mueller is concerned. On the latter, Mueller left that up to Congress to pursue or drop, largely because a sitting president cannot be indicted. Mueller did not use the word "exonerate" with "obstruction" but did with [criminal] "collusion".

As far as "obstruction" is concerned, clearly Trump was trying over and over again to stop the investigation, which is what "obstruction" means, but Mueller could not recommend charges because that cannot be legally done with a sitting president.

You're mistaken.

Barr explained succinctly why no obstruction charges are being filed. I explain as well.

You're argument is not a refutation of either.
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
Yes I am aware you have not cited any evidence from the Mueller Report to back up your claims that Clinton, Obama and the Dems have committed crimes.



Evidence he couldn't cite either.

He wasn't asked to cite it at the hearing. That's the Dems fault for not asking.

An investigation has began though. So soon we all shall know exactly what's up.

When the FBI wiretapped Trump during his campaign at the behest of Obama. That is abuse of power.
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
If it's there, why won't you cite it?

Because there is an ongoing investigation. I am not gonna point it out so you or the media can spin it. If you want to spin it read the entire 450 page document.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Barr explained succinctly why no obstruction charges are being filed. I explain as well.
I couldn't care less what Barr thought about this because the issue deals with what Mueller concluded in his report that Barr twisted. Barr was appointed by Trump as if he was to be Trump's personal lawyer, whereas the role of the Attorney General is to be the country's lawyer.

You don't seem to have a clue why Trump appointed Barr in the first place, and you clearly don't have a clue why Trump's numerous attempts to have Mueller fired is what "obstruction" is about which, btw, led to impeachment with Nixon. Instead, you are staunchly defending a man who has repeatedly shown disregard to the "rule of law" as even many Republicans have been saying, with some of them leaving the Republican Party like one of the Representatives in Washington did just last week.

Instead, to you this is all just "funny", but to me it's all just "sad".
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
I couldn't care less what Barr thought about this because the issue deals with what Mueller concluded in his report that Barr twisted.

Wrong Barr concluded exactly what Mueller concluded. Which is not enough evidence to prosecute. You can disagree all you like but that is the truth of the matter.
 
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