Just stop it guys!

[Unveiled Artist]

You are either trolling or thicker than the earth's crust. Either way, good luck with whatever the heck you are trying to do here, I'm not wasting another second on this.

Where in the world This came from?

I agreed with you on a couple of things above. I disagreed on others.

What are you fussing about?

And yes. Im thicker than the earth. Medically certified. No Im not a troller. Dont know how long you been here to say that.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

This is not a objective thread. Some of you, stop with the insults.

Stop calling same-sex actions "homosexual actions". That's not the definition of homosexual.

Please get it right. It annoys the heck out of me.

If some of you think homosexual has to do with same-same acts, so be. Dictctionary and may others say its an orientation. Has nothing to do with same-sex acts.

This just annoys me. Its an improper and inaccurate association of homosexuals and homosexuality and sexual acts.

Stop it guys.

Period.

 

[First Baseman]

Others do not define words the same way you do. Stop trying to convince other people that your way is the only way because it isn't.

 

[Acim]

It'll be nice when the people who think "homosexual acts" of the sexual kind exists, are able to construct an actual argument in this thread.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I've never heard anyone ever use the phrase "homosexual action" in my life, so I don't see the problem even if I could understand what it was.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Same-sex: Same-gender.

Same-sex actions: Intercourse between two people of the same gender.

Sex and gender are different things.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Sex and gender are different things.

Yes....you said define the terms. Please add commentary. I don't know your point.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Sex and gender are different things.

Same - sex as in same-gender. not using the phrase "same sex" as in action.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

It'll be nice when the people who think "homosexual acts" of the sexual kind exists, are able to construct an actual argument in this thread.

LOLOL thank you!

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Others do not define words the same way you do. Stop trying to convince other people that your way is the only way because it isn't.

It's not an objective thread; and, because it is not, why would I be convincing people of my opinion? A lot of people define same-sex acts as homosexual acts. That is wrong. Unless you can provide a way that it is right logically speaking?

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Yes....you said define the terms. Please add commentary. I don't know your point.

Sex = biological sex (the female-intersex-male spectrum). Gender = self-identity and gender roles. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_construction_of_gender for a more lengthy discussion on the topic. Then of course there is sexual orientation.

So, to take myself as an example, my sex = male judging by my genitalia, intersex judging by my sex chromosomes. My gender = genderqueer. My sexual orientation = pansexual.

On your OP, I completely hear you on the importance of distinguishing sexual orientation from sexual acts. However, the two are pretty closely related in my opinion and I am perfectly happy with describing same-sex sexual relations as homosexual sexual relations.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

On your OP, I completely hear you on the importance of distinguishing sexual orientation from sexual acts. However, the two are pretty closely related in my opinion and I am perfectly happy with describing same-sex sexual relations as homosexual sexual relations.

That is fine; and, my OP was more subjective and personal. It was expressing why and how does homosexual and homosexuality have anything to do with same-sex actions in and of themselves. If people take it personal, I have no say. I am a lesbian, but I find it bothersome that just by saying that people think I have, will have, or already had sex with someone of my own gender. I have been lesbian before I even looked at a girl that way.

That is bias and completely wrong. I understand why people connect the two. That doesn't make it correct. Regardless if people feel comfortable with saying it or not,that's not the point of the OP nor is it to convince anyone of my opinion. It's just the fact that people associate homosexual and homosexuality with same-sex actions is annoying and, to me it's an insult.

I also likened to what @Acim said. If all of you disagree with my opinion, is there an argument you can set against it (without talking about definitions and taking things personally-my words)?

 

[The_Fisher_King]

without talking about definitions and taking things personally)?

But definitions is what it is all about. How one person uses a word doesn't have to be - and often isn't - the same as how another person uses it. You seem to be defining the word 'homosexual' to refer (exclusively?) to sexual orientation (please correct me if I am wrong). On this reading it is indeed problematic to use the word 'homosexual' to (always) refer to same-sex sexual acts. This conflates two things - sexual orientation and sexual act (which, as has already been noted, are not the same things, though often, perhaps typically, related). However, other people seem to be saying homo=same therefore homosexual=same-sex, so where is the problem calling a same-sex act a homosexual (sexual) act? I am of the latter view, though this doesn't mean that all homosexual people (having a homosexual sexual orientation) necessarily engage in homosexual sexual activity (all of the time).

 

[Unveiled Artist]

However, other people seem to be saying homo=same therefore homosexual=same-sex, so where is the problem calling a same-sex act a homosexual (sexual) act?

Yes. Many people (in general) do not refer to homo "sex" ual as by defining he two sexes as genders in regards to homosexual and homosexuality. They are referring to homosexuals engaging in intercourse with people of the same gender. Same sex, I guess you can say.

It's more of a bias problem rather than definition. I understand how they can connect homosexuals with homosexual actions (if one likes) given many homosexuals have, well, same sex. However, the label same-sex acts as a homosexual trait is different and wrong than the former, which is understandable though, well annoying as well.

The dictionary kind of changed it's definition to attraction. With marriage it used to just have man and a woman, for example. Now it has male/male and female/female. I guess bias words and associations are changing slowly. This one is so subtle that many people don't realize it.

I guess my OP point is more to put it in my shoes. Saying homosexual actions is saying because I am homosexual, same-sex actions is part of the traits I have among others. I guess that's the best I can describe it. Outside of that, we (in general) can fuss about definitions; but, the point is it's an incorrect and bias word whether one calls it same sex (without the dash) or intercourse with people of the same sex. Once they put homosexual, there, it becomes a traigt not all homosexuals have.

Anyway, I'm kind of repeating myself. You are right in your conclusion. It's kind of hard to understand some of it. I live with a lot of Christians so I notice their line of thinking is also in non Christians as well. It's a small thing to most people. I don't know about other GBLTQA, but now that I'm listening to people who refer to us in general, it gets annoying way to define who we are as people not what some of us do.

 

[gnomon]

Here is all I have to say......

But simply this.......just love the one you love.

And don't give a damn about anyone else's opinion, especially mine because I can be a real prick.........but don't bother with me. I say that because I might have said something earlier that would have been very inappropriate.

Just love the one you love.

It's all that matters.

I've dealt with definitions regarding a certain subject different from this but similar.......

All that matters is that you love the one you love.

It doesn't matter how you define it or how someone else defines it.

But worrying about such things..........not worth it.

 

[gnomon]

I thought about this thread some more because my prior response was one of not truly understanding.

I thought about this morning of two homosexuals shopping for groceries and someone remarking......."Hey.....there are two homosexuals shopping for groceries!". So what.

Or a homosexual couple doing their taxes and someone saying........"Hey......there is some gay tax preparation going on!". So what.

If I understand the OP correctly yes when two people of the same sex are engaged we tend to remark upon that but why? It shouldn't matter.

We shouldn't declare a sexual act as specifically noted upon homosexuals as if two people of the same sex were doing their taxes together or shopping together. True acceptance would mean that no one would care or give any special consideration to the fact no matter the act.

Sure. Two people having a sexual encounter of the same sex we call homosexual. But what if they were both bisexual. Why does it even matter? Why even bother bringing any distinction at all with what consenting adults do?

Because it doesn't matter.

It only matters when we specifically call it out for some cultural reason but it shouldn't matter if we accept it.

I accept it. I don't give a good damn what any two people, or more, do with each other as long as everyone involved consents.

The OP is correct. Just because someone is homosexual it shouldn't be necessary that any act they carry out be defined as homosexual. It should be defined exactly the same as heterosexuals. As normal.

As loving as the traditional terms. There is no need to describe it as homosexual nor is their any need to describe it as heterosexual.

It is people loving each other in their own capacity.

If anyone needs an example it should be the same as finding two people of the same sex holding hands as it is people of the different sex. The same. The same love. There is no need whatsoever for throwing in a qualifying statement.

That is the ideal that is sought.

If I'm wrong I will completely differ to the author of the OP.

 

[First Baseman]

It's not an objective thread; and, because it is not, why would I be convincing people of my opinion? A lot of people define same-sex acts as homosexual acts. That is wrong. Unless you can provide a way that it is right logically speaking?

I don't know nor do I care. It doesn't matter. Homosexuality is sin regardless of how you define the terms. It should not be practiced and no one can justify it.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

@First Baseman and can any Christian, Muslim, or Jew question reading this can answer these:

Same-sex actions is a sin (you are right)

There is no such thing as homosexual actions.

Homosexuality is a person's orientation to those of the same-sex/gender

They have nothing to do with each other.

Show me in the Torah, Quran, or bible that everyone who commited same-sex acts are LGBTS?

Where in the Torah, Bible, Quran Bible does it say homosexuality (someone's sexual orientation to those of his same gender) is a sin?​

Think about it. Every sexual impure act same-sex or not had nothing to do with a persons sexual orientation according god. He was concerned with actions.

Where in the Torah, Bibke, Quran bible does it mention there are homosexuals at all without attaching who they are to impure actions some of us do not commit?​

Back up your claim @First Baseman

How is homosexuality a sin?​

(Note: The CCC doesnt consider homosexuality a sin. They consider the orientation a disorder. They feel homosexuals have disordered thinking. They say we have tendencies to same sex attractions. They never say we are what some of us do.)

If Im wrong, please back it up.


I am serious. I only had one christian years ago answered this question bluntly. Everyone else insult me, insult my question, or ignored me.

Muslims. I know nothing about the Quran. Does the Quran talk about the nature of homoexual acts? Does it define it as homosexual acts? Do you relate this to homosexuals or just the actions themselves? If the latter, how are they homosexual?

 

[gnomon]

I don't know nor do I care. It doesn't matter. Homosexuality is sin regardless of how you define the terms. It should not be practiced and no one can justify it.

Well if you don't care than shove off because you have absolutely provided nothing worthwhile.

You sound like an idiot.