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JW's Jesus is Archangel Michael?

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djhwoodwerks

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kjw47 said:
Michael and Jesus are the same being. Was there a Jesus ever mentioned in the ot? No-- but all of creation occurred in Genesis.
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Do you read what you write before you post it?

"Michael and Jesus are the same being, was there a Jesus ever mentioned in the OT? "NO". So if Jesus was never mentioned in the OT, and "JESUS" didn't exist until He was born, how could it have been "JESUS" that created all things? It had to be the being called "MICHAEL" not Jesus. According to you, they are the same being, but different rolls. It was the "ROLE" of Michael, according to you, that was in the beginning, not the role of Jesus. You cannot say that the role of Jesus created all things because that role didn't exist.
 
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djhwoodwerks

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Mountain_Climber said:
Does it state anywhere in the Bible that there is a certain age of accountability? Yes it does:

Romans 5:13 "(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law."

Is there law in an infant that has no understanding?
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So you're saying that a baby is not born under the law of God until he/she reaches a certain age?
 
savagewind

savagewind

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djhwoodwerks said:
So you're saying that a baby is not born under the law of God until he/she reaches a certain age?
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Is the law of God that you must love The Lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength and your neighbour as yourself? Does Jehovah EVER require of a person what a person can not do?
 
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Wharton

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kjw47 said:
You didn't answer the question--- and since 1Cor 1:30 clearly says--Jesus became wisdom, and all know Jesus was a male--wisdom is referred to as she in a non human sense. But there is 0 doubt in all creation--Jesus = Gods master worker.=all things created through him, except for Jesus as Prov 8:22 clearly teaches as well as Coll 1:15.
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Let's see. If JW's can make Michael into Jesus, then I guess it's no problem for you to have a transgender Jesus by making the she in Proverbs 8 into a he.

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Wharton

Active Member
kjw47 said:
then explain to all how Jehovah could produce wisdom without having wisdom to do so first?
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BTW, are you going to stay on the forum? I see that Kolibri and Jay Jay Dee are leaving as of today based on the instructions from the GB regarding chatrooms.
 
Yoshua

Yoshua

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savagewind said:
It is not clear that it is at the end of the age. Acts 7:55
I encourage you to obey Revelation 2:7 Revelation 2:29
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Hi Savagewind,

Jayjaydee once told me to go in deeper study regarding our discussion here about Archangel Michael and Jesus Christ. I followed what he say, I scrutinized and get in detail about the scripture. Until now (for a longtime), every time I share, discussed and ask questions with a JW, they still and still cannot answer my questions. I don't know if they are really understand what are their doctrine or they are being dependent on the teachings of the Watchtower Organization.

For a deeper study, if you're a JW, you (and all JW's here) are invited to answer my several questions in my posted message, and not the selected ones.

Thanks
 
savagewind

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Yoshua said:
Hi Savagewind,

Jayjaydee once told me to go in deeper study regarding our discussion here about Archangel Michael and Jesus Christ. I followed what he say, I scrutinized and get in detail about the scripture. Until now (for a longtime), every time I share, discussed and ask questions with a JW, they still and still cannot answer my questions. I don't know if they are really understand what are their doctrine or they are being dependent on the teachings of the Watchtower Organization.

For a deeper study, if you're a JW, you (and all JW's here) are invited to answer my several questions in my posted message, and not the selected ones.

Thanks
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I am not presently a JW. I studied with them for twenty years and am baptized a JW. Technically people like me who are not disfellowshipped or disassociated are still Jehovah's Witnesses. It is how I was trained in the Bible. But I have my own ideas.

What question do you have?
 
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djhwoodwerks

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Mountain_Climber said:
That is shear foolishness which is neither here nor there as regards a point of value.

Even man's law requires that a person be capable of knowing right from wrong before it judges them.
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When a child is born, he/she is not born alien to the US. When a child is born he/she is born alienated from God because he/she was conceived and born in sin.
 
savagewind

savagewind

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According to Jehovah's Witnesses "new light" the faithful and discreet slave will not be rewarded the appointment over all God's belongings until the great tribulation so before that I can't see that God would have expected people to be subject to them like they teach we should be, even now.
 
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