JW's Preach A Different Gospel

[djhwoodwerks]

C.T. Russell explains the "LIGHT OF TRUTH" truth. Again, the WT refutes it's own teaching!


Zion’s Watchtower – February 1881, p. 3
With God there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning, and so it is with truth; any knowledge or light coming from God must be like it’s author. A new view of truth never can contradict a former truth. “New light” never extinguishes “older light” but adds to it. …So it is with the light of truth; the true increase is by adding to, not by substituting one for another.

Open your eyes and your hearts JW's! Before it's too late.

 

[JFish123]

I think they shunned everybody who was questioning there views

 

[djhwoodwerks]

 

[JFish123]

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Oh snap :0
Man, you just went there...

 

[JayJayDee]

This is so sad in so many ways. Have a nice Fourth of July.

Believe me the sadness goes back way before any of us were even thought about.
The rot set in centuries ago and you can't see it. The trinity was introduced into the "Church" along with a bunch of other teachings that are not found in the Bible except by vague inference. It is so ingrained in you that you can't see past it. I used to believe in it myself once....but that was before I actually studied the Bible for myself instead of having my beliefs spoon fed to me by those who just followed the church's party line.

Just out of curiosity, are you Roman Catholic? Do you uphold the teachings of the Catholic Church? I see that you do not claim attachment to any particular denomination. How are you sure about what you believe?


BTW....The 4th of July has no relevance to me. I am not American.

 

[oldbadger]

The JW's preach a different and false gospel. Those who preach another gospel are accursed (Gal. 1:6)

Hello!
You have quoted Paul!
I find this... a lot.
Jesus picks up John's mission and carries it to his death.
Jesus's words and actions are remembered and eventually written down.
And then, after that, disciples have visions that alter Jesus's message, and apostles like Paul really go to town with the new rules, laws and ways!!
Now..... who was/is the centre of Christianity... Paul, the disciples, or Jesus?
Paul was not a prophet, but to read his ideas you'd think he was senior to Jesus.

 

[jojom]

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It's kind of disheartening when leaders of a faith need to purposely misconstrue the words of others, and then pass it on to the flock as truth.

 

[JayJayDee]

@djhwoodwerks....It is interesting to note the intensity with which you and your cronies attack everything about JW's. I can only assume that you feel threatened by us in some way. That to me demonstrates that we must be getting through to some folks. You didn't listen to Gamaliel then, did you? (Acts 5:34-39)

Do you have no faith in Paul's words? Satan can only "blind the minds of unbelievers"....which means he has no success with believers at all. (2 Cor 4:3, 4) You are wasting all that effort trolling through the garbage dump for ammo about those terrible JW's, but you are only exhibiting a gross lack of faith in the God you profess to worship, as far as I can see. Do you see yourself as some kind of crusader perhaps?
No one will snatch a true believer out of God's hand, unless you think he is kind of impotent without your second hand information.

We have confidence in our God because he said that no one can come to his son without an invitation from him (John 6:44).....apparently you have to speak for God to the poor souls who might respond to the good news and save them......from what we wonder?

Why would you go to such lengths to disparage us when we have God's assurance that nothing will prevent anyone from coming to God, except the actions of the person themselves?

This reflects negatively more on you than it does on us, I think. Where is your faith man!

 

[JayJayDee]

It's kind of disheartening when leaders of a faith need to purposely misconstrue the words of others, and then pass it on to the flock as truth.

Do you honestly believe everything you read on the Internet? Heaven knows what they would have said about Jesus and his followers in the first century if the Internet had been available!

 

[savagewind]

Your really going to bad mouth a bible when you have the New World Translation? Really? And I and others have posted numerous proofs of The word basically Shouting Jesus is God and the Trinity but you don't understand because of what the Watchtower trained you to see

YOU are also bad mouthing a bible when YOU have a bible which says the God will come destroying. Also YOU have a bible which says "love is not provoked". That is a LIE. YOU also have a bible which says Jesus told them to GO! and MAKE something when we know it is GOD who makes things.

 

[savagewind]

It is my opinion that everyone on the face of The Earth is preaching a "different gospel". Seeing that it was the Jehovah's Witnesses who exposed the fraud, they are the BEST ones imho. "No one is righteous, no, not one". Romans 3:9-12

 

[savagewind]

You are all on a crazy mission to expose the Jehovah's Witnesses as believers who won't adopt your image of YHVH (please see Exodus 20:4) but then again you do not care what YHVH really SAYS! I wish I could say, "I am done!".

 

[katiemygirl]

This is an example of where they don't break bread with anyone who disagrees. Its a power-play, but if the issue were only a disagreement -- that they thought Jesus had come already but were willing to deal with and work with other Christians then that issue would take care of itself. No Christian should object to breaking break over that, because that is merely one person's understanding. Nobody is better than anyone else compared to God and that includes cases of doctrinal confusion. There is a saying in the Psalms that Paul quotes "Let God be true and every man a liar" which is not suggesting that we lie but that we are all untrue compared to God. Jesus says he is the vine, and we are branches. Psalm 100:3 says "...it is he who made us, and we are his..." KJV renders it "...it is he that hath made us and not we ourselves..."

That is a central aspect of the gospel for Paul, an extension of the family of God to everyone. To him those 'Other gospels' made exceptions to that by trying to verify and limit that extension. Paul believed all were to be included regardless of circumcision, caste or education. Education was a seriously difficult thing to get in those days, reserved for the wealthy; but in Christ there is neither rich nor poor. This was hard to accept. The difference between a person reared as a Jew and trained in the scriptures from someone reared as a Roman who could not read or write was very great -- it was a huge difference in knowledge, behavior, etiquette, roots etc. 'Circumcision' is a word that encompasses all the various exceptions to allowing the gentiles into the family.

Only their so-called anointed break bread. Yet, Jesus commanded we all eat the bread and drink the fruit of the vine in His memory. For when we do, we proclaim His death until He comes.

So I ask, if He has already come, why are the so-called anointed observing the memorial supper?

 

[katiemygirl]

Jesus vs the WTO

John 14:26 (ESVST) 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

*** w81 2/15 p. 19 Do We Need Help to Understand the Bible? ***
Rather, the record that the “faithful and discreet slave” organization has made for the past more than 100 years forces us to the conclusion that Peter expressed when Jesus asked if his apostles also wanted to leave him, namely, “Whom shall we go away to?” (John 6:66-69) No question about it. We all need help to understand the Bible, and we cannot find the Scriptural guidance we need outside the “faithful and discreet slave” organization.



John 14:6 (ESVST) 6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

*** w13 7/15 p. 20 par. 2 “Who Really Is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?” ***
That faithful slave is the channel through which Jesus is feeding his true followers in this time of the end. It is vital that we recognize the faithful slave. Our spiritual health and our relationship with God depend on this channel.—Matt. 4:4; John 17:3.



Luke 11:13 (ESVST) 13 If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!"

*** w73 7/1 p. 402 par. 4 Praise Jehovah with His People ***
4 Consider, too, the fact that Jehovah’s organization alone, in all the earth, is directed by God’s holy spirit or active force.


Jam 4:6-7 (ESVST) ." 7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

*** w08 1/15 p. 26 par. 8 Counted Worthy to Be Guided to Fountains of Waters of Life ***
Second, they willingly submit themselves to the direction provided by the Governing Body.—Heb. 13:17; read Zechariah 8:23.


1Ti 2:4-6 (ESVST) 5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, "the man" Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all. (I just wanted to point out that this verse says, "the MAN" Christ Jesus! Not the Spirit person Christ Jesus)

*** ws chap. 1 p. 10 par. 16 The Desire for Peace and Security Worldwide ***
Jesus Christ, is not the Mediator between Jehovah God and all mankind. He is the Mediator between his heavenly Father, Jehovah God, and the nation of spiritual Israel, which is limited to only 144,000 members.


1Th 5:8-10 (ESVST) 9 For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 who died for us so that whether we are awake or asleep we might live with him.

*** w81 11/15 p. 21 par. 18 ‘Stay Awake and Keep Your Senses’ ***
And while now the witness yet includes the invitation to come to Jehovah’s organization for salvation,


Act 4:11-12 (ESVST) 12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."

*** w93 9/15 p. 22 They Compassionately Shepherd the Little Sheep ***
But if we were to draw away from Jehovah’s organization, there would be no place else to go for salvation and true joy.


Jer 17:5 (ESVST) 5 Thus says the Lord: "Cursed is the man who trusts in man" and makes flesh his strength.

*** w09 2/15 p. 27 par. 12 They “Keep Following the Lamb” ***
The slave thus deserves our complete trust.

Just so everyone knows, these are all taken from the Bible and from the WT publications. They are the only sources used for this post.

Moses was the mediator and high priest of the old covenant.

Was he mediator and high priest for the priests alone?

In Christianity, Jesus is the mediator and high priest between God and mankind. It is because of Jesus' shed blood on the cross, we can approach the throne of God.

5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. (1 Tim. 2:5-6)

According to Watchtower, the Governing Body mediates for the rest of the JW's, making themselves the only path to salvation. Making this claim heightens their authority and gives them power to control their followers. This is very typical of all cults. They claim some sort of mystical relationship with God that no one but the leaders have.

 

[katiemygirl]

If Jesus is not mediator for the rank and file JW's, then WHY DO THEY PRAY THROUGH HIM?

Isn't Paul discussing prayer in conjunction with Jesus' mediatorship in the following passage?

1 Timothy 2:1-8)
I therefore exhort, first of all, that supplications, prayers, intercessions, offerings of thanks, be made concerning all sorts of men, 2 concerning kings and all those who are in high station; in order that we may go on leading a calm and quiet life with full godly devotion and seriousness. 3 This is fine and acceptable in the sight of our Savior, God, 4 whose will is that all sorts of men should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all—[this is] what is to be witnessed to at its own particular times. 7 For the purpose of this witness I was appointed a preacher and an apostle—I am telling the truth, I am not lying—a teacher of nations in the matter of faith and truth. 8 Therefore I desire that in every place the men carry on prayer, lifting up loyal hands, apart from wrath and debates.

In the following quotes from Watchtower, it is clear that the WTS connects prayer with Jesus mediatorship.

*** w04 4/1 p. 32 Should We Call Upon Angels for Help? ***However, angels do not serve as intercessors who bring human prayers to the throne of the Most High. God has determined that prayers be addressed to him in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, who said: “No matter what you ask the Father in my name he might give it to you.”—John 15:16; 1 Timothy 2:5.

*** w02 7/1 p. 8 Worship God “in Spirit” ***Is it proper to pray to Jesus’ earthly mother, Mary, or to particular “saints,” asking them to intercede with God in one’s behalf?The Bible’s direct answer is: “There is only one mediator between God and mankind, himself a man, Christ Jesus.”—1 Timothy 2:5.

*** w97 2/15 p. 28 Agreement Between “God’s Temple” and Idols in Greece? ***Furthermore, in a very clear way, the Scriptures rule out the idea of praying to “saints” in order for them to act as intercessors with God. In his model prayer, Jesus taught that prayers are to be addressed to the Father only, since he directed his disciples: “You must pray, then, this way: ‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified.’” (Matthew 6:9) Jesus further stated: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you ask anything in my name, I will do it.” And the apostle Paul stated: “There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus.”—John 14:6, 14; 1 Timothy 2:5.

The WTS is very adept about speaking out of both sides of their mouth.

JW'S, DO YOU PRAY TO GOD THROUGH JESUS?

 

[katiemygirl]

 

[katiemygirl]

Hello!
You have quoted Paul!
I find this... a lot.
Jesus picks up John's mission and carries it to his death.
Jesus's words and actions are remembered and eventually written down.
And then, after that, disciples have visions that alter Jesus's message, and apostles like Paul really go to town with the new rules, laws and ways!!
Now..... who was/is the centre of Christianity... Paul, the disciples, or Jesus?
Paul was not a prophet, but to read his ideas you'd think he was senior to Jesus.

Of course I'm quoting Paul! Why wouldn't I? He wrote by inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

You're questioning Paul's authority as a spokesperson for Jesus Christ, which has nothing to do with the thread topic.

The topic of the thread is about JW's preaching another gospel. It is not about the authenticity of the Scriptures.

 

[katiemygirl]

This is the "ONE TRUE" religion. At a "IMITATE JESUS" convention. See all the love shown in this video!

WOW!

Did Jesus ignore sinners? This guy was not an apostate, so why the shunning? He had never been a JW? He simply asked people if they imitated Jesus, and they treated him as though he were not even there.

 

[JFish123]

@djhwoodwerks....It is interesting to note the intensity with which you and your cronies attack everything about JW's. I can only assume that you feel threatened by us in some way. That to me demonstrates that we must be getting through to some folks. You didn't listen to Gamaliel then, did you? (Acts 5:34-39)

Do you have no faith in Paul's words? Satan can only "blind the minds of unbelievers"....which means he has no success with believers at all. (2 Cor 4:3, 4) You are wasting all that effort trolling through the garbage dump for ammo about those terrible JW's, but you are only exhibiting a gross lack of faith in the God you profess to worship, as far as I can see. Do you see yourself as some kind of crusader perhaps?
No one will snatch a true believer out of God's hand, unless you think he is kind of impotent without your second hand information.

We have confidence in our God because he said that no one can come to his son without an invitation from him (John 6:44).....apparently you have to speak for God to the poor souls who might respond to the good news and save them......from what we wonder?

Why would you go to such lengths to disparage us when we have God's assurance that nothing will prevent anyone from coming to God, except the actions of the person themselves?

This reflects negatively more on you than it does on us, I think. Where is your faith man!

I guess your saying I'm a Cronie? Cool! lol
But in all seriousness why wouldn't we try to stop False Doctrine? Did not Paul and the Apostles try to stop it EVERYWHERE they went? Are you telling us we shouldn't?
And Jehovahs Witnesses are not "terrible" in the slightest! There just misguided as they have a misguided translation, that is all.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

@djhwoodwerks....It is interesting to note the intensity with which you and your cronies attack everything about JW's. I can only assume that you feel threatened by us in some way. That to me demonstrates that we must be getting through to some folks. You didn't listen to Gamaliel then, did you? (Acts 5:34-39)

Do you have no faith in Paul's words? Satan can only "blind the minds of unbelievers"....which means he has no success with believers at all. (2 Cor 4:3, 4) You are wasting all that effort trolling through the garbage dump for ammo about those terrible JW's, but you are only exhibiting a gross lack of faith in the God you profess to worship, as far as I can see. Do you see yourself as some kind of crusader perhaps?
No one will snatch a true believer out of God's hand, unless you think he is kind of impotent without your second hand information.

We have confidence in our God because he said that no one can come to his son without an invitation from him (John 6:44).....apparently you have to speak for God to the poor souls who might respond to the good news and save them......from what we wonder?

Why would you go to such lengths to disparage us when we have God's assurance that nothing will prevent anyone from coming to God, except the actions of the person themselves?

This reflects negatively more on you than it does on us, I think. Where is your faith man!

I'm in no way attacking JW's personally! It's what the WT teaches that I attack. The WT actually teaches about itself, but JW's just don't see it. The WT says,


*** w97 5/1 p. 8 par. 1 Identifying the Right Kind of Messenger ***
JEHOVAH GOD is the Grand Identifier of his true messengers. “He identifies them by making the messages he delivers through them come true”. Jehovah is also the Great Exposer of false messengers. How does he expose them? He frustrates their signs and predictions. In this way he shows that they are self-appointed prognosticators, whose messages really spring from their own false reasoning—yes, their foolish, fleshly thinking!

Just for the sake of argument, since the GB doesn't claim to be prophets, we'll say all the false prophecies of the GB were actually predictions, not prophecy. How many of the predictions of the GB have come true? And Proverbs 4:18 cannot help you defend the WT. According to the WT's founder, C.T. Russell,

Zion’s Watchtower – (February 1881, p. 3)
With God there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning, and so it is with truth; any knowledge or light coming from God must be like it’s author. A new view of truth never can contradict a former truth. “New light” never extinguishes “older light” but adds to it. …So it is with the light of truth; the true increase is by adding to, not by substituting one for another.

Does the GB's "TRUTH" get brighter (adds to), or does it extinguish older light by substituting one for the other?