But if someone has a distorted gospel they will keep following it until someone tells them. Otherwise they'll stay blind to the truth and end up falling in a ditch.
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JW's Preach A Different Gospel
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If someone has a tiny splinter in their eye, should you point it out and offer to help get it out? Normally you should but not if their is already a log in your own. If someone is blind should you read their mail for them? Normally you should but not if you are too blind, because then you'd be making things up. So there are these examples where it seems like directing people is the right thing to do, but Jesus says its not. All have sinned. Instead he'd have you share and work together, so he himself can intercede with you. If two or more gather in his name then he says he is in their midst, so then he is present to correct misinterpretation.
That quote you speak of is Jesus telling us to not judge others hypocritically, but if we do see clearly we are commanded to correct others by way of the truth Gods word.
Jesus said, "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains." John 9:41
jojom
Active Member
It's left out because in English a Capitalized god already indicates the only god.(see what Strong's says below)
What difference would punctuation make? As for capital letters, if the first use of theos did not have the capital Greek Θ in the Greek Interlinear, would believe it was referencing some lesser god rather than God? These irrelevant issues are beginning to look like desperation is setting in.
BUT, in as much as the Greek does capitalized theos . . . . . . .
The capitalization of theos (and its syntactical position identifies it as the first theon. "In[the] beginning was the Word and the word was with God and God was the word." And Substituting: "In[the] beginning was Jesus and Jesus was with God and God was Jesus." Or switching the last phrase around as the Bibles do "In[the] beginning was Jesus and Jesus was with God and Jesus was God." The syntax and the capitalization of the second theos both demand identification as the first theon. That you ignore both is up to you, but it's a lame claim, to put it nicely, and why no other Bible has seen fit to do it: It reminds me of the way creationists work: "Here's the conclusion. What facts can we concoct to support it."
As for ton. τὸν, which goes untranslated in English, Strong's points out:
"As the definite or prepositive article (to be distinguished from the postpositive article — as it is called when it has the force of a relative pronoun, like the German der, die, das, examples of which use are not found in the N. T.), whose use in the N. T. is explained at length by Winers Grammar, §§ 18-20; Buttmann, 85 (74ff); (Green, p. 5ff). As in all languages the article serves to distinguish things, persons, notions, more exactly, it is prefixed
to substantives that have no modifier; and a. those that designate a person or a thing that is the only one of its kind; the article thus distinguishes the same from all other persons or things, as ὁ ἥλιος, ὁ οὐρανός, ἡ γῆ, ἡ θάλασσα, ὁ Θεός, ὁ λόγος (John 1:1f), ὁ διάβολος, τό φῶς, ἡ σκοτία, ἡ ζωή, ὁ θάνατος, etc.
to substantives that have no modifier; and a. those that designate a person or a thing that is the only one of its kind; the article thus distinguishes the same from all other persons or things, as ὁ ἥλιος, ὁ οὐρανός, ἡ γῆ, ἡ θάλασσα, ὁ Θεός, ὁ λόγος (John 1:1f), ὁ διάβολος, τό φῶς, ἡ σκοτία, ἡ ζωή, ὁ θάνατος, etc.
So ton. τὸν is serving as "the," introducing the only god.
9:39-41 Christ came into the world to give sight to those who were spiritually blind. Also, that those who see might be made blind; that those who have a high conceit of their own wisdom, might be sealed up in ignorance. The preaching of the cross was thought to be folly by such as by carnal wisdom knew not God. Nothing fortifies men's corrupt hearts against the convictions of the word (the bible), more than the high opinion which others have of them; as if all that gained applause with men, must obtain acceptance with God. Christ silenced them. But the sin of the self-conceited and self-confident remains; they reject the gospel of grace, therefore the guilt of their sin remains unpardoned, and the power of their sin remains unbroken.
Jesus was talking to men who rejected The Truth of Gods Word. If we have it and are not hypocritical, we can judge.
djhwoodwerks
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This is the "ONE TRUE" religion. At a "IMITATE JESUS" convention. See all the love shown in this video!
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I hear you say the Bible is all we need to know. Unhypocritally.
Gods word is all we need to know, because by that we can know who we are, why we need a savior, and who that savior is. And we can know it by the Bible, or someone who knows it telling us etc...
JayJayDee
Avid JW Bible Student
Which is pure trinitarian assumption. There are two "gods" (mighty ones) spoken about in John 1:1. Only one is THE God. It is plainly there in the Greek text. Why is there use of the capital "G" for both instances of "theos" when only one has the definite article? There is a clear distinction there in the text, but trinitarians deny it.
If it had been translated correctly without trinitarian bias in the first place, no explanation would have been necessary.
John 1:18 makes it clear. The Word is a "begotten god". The Almighty is not begotten. Why does the KJV translate "theos" as "Son" in verse 18 when it is translated "god" in verse 1? Trinitarian bias at work.
djhwoodwerks
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I guarantee if you go to a Christendom convention, you won't be treated like that! I guess the only time they're allowed to talk to anyone is when they go to a door. Other than that, we're apostates. And I'm sorry, I just can't see Jesus or God acting like that towards anyone.
People, Christians and Jehovah's Witnesses treat me that same way on this forum.
djhwoodwerks
Well-Known Member
Mat 5:43-48 (ESVST) 43 "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy. ' 44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48 You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Could it be, they are taught that only the 144,000 are sons of God, so, "the great crowed" don't have to follow this teaching. Because it says, "so that you may be sons of your Father Who is in heaven." They aren't sons and aren't going to heaven, so they can act like that. That one lady that answered him must have been the only anointed one there. The beginning of verse 47 says it all!
Could it be, they are taught that only the 144,000 are sons of God, so, "the great crowed" don't have to follow this teaching. Because it says, "so that you may be sons of your Father Who is in heaven." They aren't sons and aren't going to heaven, so they can act like that. That one lady that answered him must have been the only anointed one there. The beginning of verse 47 says it all!
djhwoodwerks
Well-Known Member
Because it's a debate thread! We all have been a little salty at times.
What has salty to do with shunning? They ignore me. Ignore isn't debate.
Listen to yourself, please. "The Bible is all we need to know"........"To know who our savior is"......so we need a savior! So the Bible is NOT all we need.
So I am asking you. Is it possible to hear from that Savior? If no, then why not?
Here is a warning against judging others like we tend to do: "But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca, is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.
(Mat 5) So there is a lot more damage done by dismissing people and browbeating than there is from accepting the wrong people or letting people be wrong, but also there is no room for creed driven church divisions.
You also have to find a way to counter fake holy people, and you just can't do that by judging. Instead by judging you enable them, because they thrive on division. They hate loving non-judging groups. They hate putting up with disagreement and hate submitting to other people. Its not an environment that they can easily manipulate, but if they can find a structure where they can be compared against others they can thrive. Jesus church is one united by love and deeds not words, and rather than providing a clear outline of particular choices and creeds he prayed for unity. (John 17)