JW's Preach A Different Gospel

[katiemygirl]

Their appointed successors only. All others become the "Fathers" Jesus warned about.

Their appointed successors only. All others become the "Fathers" Jesus warned about.

Ohhhhhh, wait! Let me guess. You mean popes, right? LOL

You know, there really is not much difference between the GB and the Pope. Both claim to have some sort of mystical relationship with God. Only they can interpret God's word.

 

[katiemygirl]

Sorry for the delay, I have been really busy for a couple of days.


I left primarily because the God described in the Christian scriptures is cruel and petty.
My personal experiences of the Divine had led me to believe that God was kinder and more loving than that God.
...I am sure we have something in common though, other than our humanity of course.


I must admit that I am ignorant as to what the Anglican church is even like, so I can make no real comment about that.
I am not opposed to the idea of having those crops for the poor to harvest. Why not do that now?


Well, there definitely is room for improvement when it comes to charities.
I would suggest that more time should be spent looking at how they can be improved.
Perhaps work of some measure should be required as they are able to encourage personal growth?


That's unfortunate. Apparently he is very inconsiderate at the least.
It still does not mean that this is the case in all of Christianity.
I was a part of a church plant years ago where my pastor left a lucrative career to start the church.

He is one of the most honest and humble people I have ever met.


How is this help offered (without necessarily giving specific detail)?
I disagree that charity does not work. It has helped me in the past.
I have seen it help others.
There is always the problem of those who would take advantage, but this means to me that we should look for ways
to counter these attempts at taking advantage, not scrap charity entirely.



And I do see some merit in this.
If someone is able to, they should repay a kindness (such as the giving of food) in some way.
This especially makes sense in the context it was likely intended.

Families who likely only had enough food for themselves would need someone to work
for their food. In the first world, our ludicrous abundance does not reflect this in the same exact way (although there certainly are poor, of which I am a part).




What exactly do you mean here? Regarding the payment of church workers?
Most I have known are only payed enough to live.


It sounds to me like this is a reflection on the character of this particular minister.
It is a stretch to apply this indiscriminately to all of "Christendom" as a whole.

My old pastor still sends me cards on my birthday (which I know you don't celebrate, but it is important to me).
The pastors would call, they offered to sit down and talk with you, you could pull them aside on Sunday to ask questions, they would visit you in the hospital...they were just good people.


And that is noble, if one can manage to live that way...I will say that my old pastors regularly gave of their free time.
One of them would say sometimes that it was an on-call job, and that he needed to be ready to be there for people all the time.

I am glad to here about the lack of charges for those services, and I believe that is as it should be.


I left because I could not accept that the Bible needed to be upheld at the cost of my critical thinking, and because the God
of the Christian scriptures is harsh and petty.

I do not want or need Bible-based answers, though I respect that others find their purpose there.
I actually got all of my questions answered right from the Bible. I was not satisfied.


I believe that all of life is sacred, and inherently good, and that the future is a mystery.
Perhaps it can be glimpsed in part (I'm still uncertain) it can certainly be guessed at, but that's about it...
To be more philosophical about it, I don't technically believe that the future actually exists.
There is only the present. The future is only the coming present.

Peace to you.

You see Jesus as cruel and petty?

 

[Baladas]

You see Jesus as cruel and petty?

Not Jesus specifically, as he is depicted in the gospels anyway. I have little problems with him.
In fact, he still holds a special place in my heart.

I take issue with the God who commanded countless horrors in the OT, as well who struck two dead for lying in the NT, and who it is said in Revelation will return (in the person of Christ) and slaughter the majority of the people on earth.

The God of the Bible is a God that thirsts for blood...I am sorry to speak so harshly, and I do not mean to shock or offend, but it is how I see things.

That's not to say that I disbelieve the entire Bible. There are truths that can be found throughout it, and far too many are quick to throw away the entire collection of scriptures.

 

[katiemygirl]

Not Jesus specifically, as he is depicted in the gospels anyway. I have little problems with him.
In fact, he still holds a special place in my heart.

I take issue with the God who commanded countless horrors in the OT, as well who struck two dead for lying in the NT, and who it is said in Revelation will return (in the person of Christ) and slaughter the majority of the people on earth. The God of the Bible is a God that thirsts for blood.

The One that I have encountered is kinder than that.

Seems to me you are passing judgement on God.

In order to arrive at the conclusions you have drawn, you are claiming to know the details and circumstances in which God performed certain actions, as well as His motivations for doing so. You are basically claiming to know the very mind of God.

That's a pretty big claim, don't you think?

What do you mean, the god you encountered? Can you explain?

Food for thought: There is only one sin that is unforgivable, and that is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. When you reject God outrightly, as you have done, you blaspheme. You are putting your soul at risk.

What if you're wrong?

 

[psychoslice]

Actually, I wasn't thinking anything about you because I have no idea what you believe.

You say you left religion. What does that mean?

Did Jesus belong to any religion?

No he doesn't belong to any religion at all, he was just a man who himself realized the truth from within, he then preached about his oneness with God or the Source, he made his inner Being a personal story, but in truth its everyone's story. Christianity has taken the story of Jesus as literally true, they have separated Jesus from us and we are fooled in believing that we need him, that isn't what he wanted at all, he simple wanted us all to think for ourselves and to find within each one of ourselves our own inner Being, our own Oneness with the Source which is out true SELF.

 

[Baladas]

Seems to me you are passing judgement on God.

In order to arrive at the conclusions you have drawn, you are claiming to know the details and circumstances in which God performed certain actions, as well as His motivations for doing so. You are basically claiming to know the very mind of God.

That's a pretty big claim, don't you think?

I am passing judgement on what I perceive to be a false god, and upon the actions themselves.
The actions that I take issue with are to me necessarily wrong in any circumstance.

Wholesale slaughter is always wrong.
I do not claim to know the mind of any supposed deity.

Don't you think that the scriptures make awfully big claims themselves? Or the doctrines of the churches?
Delving deeply into the history of the scriptures was the straw that broke the camel's back for my Christianity.
I no longer can believe the infallibility of the Bible, but I have no desire to debate that here...I am just saying, big claims are made.

 

[katiemygirl]

No he doesn't belong to any religion at all, he was just a man who himself realized the truth from within, he then preached about his oneness with God or the Source, he made his inner Being a personal story, but in truth its everyone's story. Christianity has taken the story of Jesus as literally true, they have separated Jesus from us and we are fooled in believing that we need him, that isn't what he wanted at all, he simple wanted us all to think for ourselves and to find within each one of ourselves our own inner Being, our own Oneness with the Source which is out true SELF.

Jesus did belong to a religion. He was a Jew who kept the Law of Moses perfectly. He kept the Sabbath. He worshiped God right along with the other Jews. And you say Jesus didn't belong to any religion?

Did you know that Jesus has a church? He does! He promised to build His church, and established it on Pentecost. He is head of His church. His followers are known as Christians, and Christianity is HIS religion.

 

[katiemygirl]

I am passing judgement on what I perceive to be a false god, and upon the actions themselves.
The actions that I take issue with are to me necessarily wrong in any circumstance.

Wholesale slaughter is always wrong.
I do not claim to know the mind of any supposed deity.

Don't you think that the scriptures make awfully big claims themselves? Or the doctrines of the churches?
Delving deeply into the history of the scriptures was the straw that broke the camel's back for my Christianity.
I no longer can believe the infallibility of the Bible, but I have no desire to debate that here...I am just saying, big claims are made.

Yes, the Scriptures do claim to be God's word, over and over. My faith allows me to trust in Him and His word.

You, on the other hand, have accused the God of the Bible of being cruel. Yet, you have no clue what the circumstances were surrounding each action God took, or what motivated Him to do the things He did. Whether you admit it or not, you are claiming to know the heart and mind of God. You, a mere human being, are judging the creator of the universe.

I am not interested in debating the infallibility of the Scriptures in this thread. That's not the topic.

I do agree with you, however, that so many churches make claims, or teach doctrines that are not from God. This is why it is so important to study for ourselves, and not believe everything we're told.

I pray you will someday give your heart to the ONE true God, the one who created you, and has blessed you with more blessings than you're probably even aware of.

 

[Norman]

The JW's preach a different and false gospel. Those who preach another gospel are accursed (Gal. 1:6)

"Let the honest-hearted person compare the kind of preaching of the gospel done by the religious systems of Christendom during all the centuries with that done by Jehovah's Witnesses since the end of World War I in 1918. They are not one and the same kind. That of Jehovah's Witnesses is really "gospel" or "good news," as of God's heavenly kingdom that was established by the enthronement of his Son Jesus Christ at the end of the Gentile Times in 1914." (Watchtower, May 1, 1981, p. 17)

Norman: Hi Katiemygirl, so what gospel do you preach? Do you have scriptural references to defend your gospel? Which ministry do you embrace, Peter's, Paul's, John the Baptist or Jude?

 

[Norman]

.How can we 'change a word' ???

Sheol is a hebrew word. Hell is an english word.

The Jewish translators of the Greek Septuagint translated the word 'sheol' as the greek equivalent 'hades' and the english translators translate 'hades' as 'hell'

They are all one and the same word in different languages. All mean the grave. But the christisans changed the 'meaning' of 'hell' and 'hades' to mean something its not. They want us to believe it means a firey place of torment.

Norman: Hi Pegg, this happened when Jerome was translating the Vulgate, hell and hades and repentance became different a whole new different thing.

Ever heard of the old english expression, 'helling potatotes' Look it up if you want to find out what the old english word hell originally meant.

 

[savagewind]

Yes, the Scriptures do claim to be God's word, over and over. My faith allows me to trust in Him and His word.

You, on the other hand, have accused the God of the Bible of being cruel. Yet, you have no clue what the circumstances were surrounding each action God took, or what motivated Him to do the things He did. Whether you admit it or not, you are claiming to know the heart and mind of God. You, a mere human being, are judging the creator of the universe.

I am not interested in debating the infallibility of the Scriptures in this thread. That's not the topic.

I do agree with you, however, that so many churches make claims, or teach doctrines that are not from God. This is why it is so important to study for ourselves, and not believe everything we're told.

I pray you will someday give your heart to the ONE true God, the one who created you, and has blessed you with more blessings than you're probably even aware of.

It is silliness to say he can't know the mind of God but you do.

 

[Baladas]

Yes, the Scriptures do claim to be God's word, over and over. My faith allows me to trust in Him and His word.

You, on the other hand, have accused the God of the Bible of being cruel. Yet, you have no clue what the circumstances were surrounding each action God took, or what motivated Him to do the things He did. Whether you admit it or not, you are claiming to know the heart and mind of God. You, a mere human being, are judging the creator of the universe.

I am not interested in debating the infallibility of the Scriptures in this thread. That's not the topic.

I do agree with you, however, that so many churches make claims, or teach doctrines that are not from God. This is why it is so important to study for ourselves, and not believe everything we're told.

I pray you will someday give your heart to the ONE true God, the one who created you, and has blessed you with more blessings than you're probably even aware of.

But isn't it faith at the cost of critical thought? I believed much as you did for many years.
It is you who are claiming to know so many things about the Divine.
I contend that such a being is primarily mysterious and unknowable to the intellect.

I will say again, the circumstances do not matter.
For the record, I do not believe that any God commanded those cruelties done.
It is the Scriptures and the Church that claims that.

With respect, I have known the One true God. I did give Him my life and heart.
I was a theology student, and a youth leader for many years.
I know that your beliefs will not allow you accept this, but I was a very real and devout Christian.
I still know what I once called God.

At any rate, I am done posting here. This is not the topic of the thread.
Feel free to make a new topic if you desire.
Perhaps I will pop in then.

Cheers, and peace to you.

 

[Norman]

The JW's preach a different and false gospel. Those who preach another gospel are accursed (Gal. 1:6)

"Let the honest-hearted person compare the kind of preaching of the gospel done by the religious systems of Christendom during all the centuries with that done by Jehovah's Witnesses since the end of World War I in 1918. They are not one and the same kind. That of Jehovah's Witnesses is really "gospel" or "good news," as of God's heavenly kingdom that was established by the enthronement of his Son Jesus Christ at the end of the Gentile Times in 1914." (Watchtower, May 1, 1981, p. 17)

Norman: Actually the mods should stop this thread dead in it's tracks. You started a thread basing another faith, I do not see any learning or understanding going on here. Really? You think this is right?

 

[katiemygirl]

Norman: Hi Katiemygirl, so what gospel do you preach? Do you have scriptural references to defend your gospel? Which ministry do you embrace, Peter's, Paul's, John the Baptist or Jude?

Hello Norman. My Father and brother are both Normans. Good name!

I embrace the entire New Testament. I see no conflict among any of the writers. Each was moved by the Holy Spirit.

If you want to learn how to be a follower of Christ, then you should read the gospels and the book of Acts. The epistles were written to those who were already followers of Christ.

 

[Wharton]

This is my thoughts how we are to preach the Gospel to the world around us. This is just my thoughts.

You do not get to preach. If you do, you are a "Father" that Jesus spoke about.

You get to teach only what the Church teaches.

 

[Wharton]

Ohhhhhh, wait! Let me guess. You mean popes, right? LOL

You know, there really is not much difference between the GB and the Pope. Both claim to have some sort of mystical relationship with God. Only they can interpret God's word.

You do not get to preach. If you do, you are a "Father" that Jesus spoke about.

You get to teach only what the Church teaches.

 

[katiemygirl]

But isn't it faith at the cost of critical thought? I believed much as you did for many years.
It is you who are claiming to know so many things about the Divine.
I contend that such a being is primarily mysterious and unknowable to the intellect.

I will say again, the circumstances do not matter.
For the record, I do not believe that any God commanded those cruelties done.
It is the Scriptures and the Church that claims that.

With respect, I have known the One true God. I did give Him my life and heart.
I was a theology student, and a youth leader for many years.
I know that your beliefs will not allow you accept this, but I was a very real and devout Christian.
I still know what I once called God.

I totally believe you were a devout Christian, and no doubt a very good one who contributed much. And I know you could be one again! God is waiting for you with open arms. Of that I have no doubt.

Do you think you are the first to leave the faith? Hardly! I've learned that most people who leave, do so because they can't give up sin in their lives. Sometimes it's adultery or divorce. Sometimes it's a riff in their family (not suggesting this about you). I think you know what I'm saying. People leave for various reasons.

I left the church once because of internal strife. I couldn't accept the failure of other people, never seeing that I was the problem. The longer I stayed away, the easier it got. Pretty soon, I even started doubting God Himself. Satan had a good hold on me. But by the grace of God, I came to the realization of how wrong my thinking was. I finally returned, and I am ever so thankful to God for helping me see the truth about myself.

My immediate thought as I read your post is that you are relying on your own intellect and wisdom rather than being as a trusting child, as Jesus would have you be. Like He said, "Let the little children come to Me, for of such is the kingdom of heaven."

 

[katiemygirl]

You do not get to preach. If you do, you are a "Father" that Jesus spoke about.

You get to teach only what the Church teaches.

No Sir! I get to teach what the Scriptures say, not mine nor anyone else's interpretation of them. I pass them on as is.

 

[Wharton]

No Sir! I get to teach what the Scriptures say, not mine nor anyone else's interpretation of them. I pass them on as is.

You are a "father" then and you will answer for it. Remember what the Ethiopian eunuch told Philip.

 

[katiemygirl]

Norman: Actually the mods should stop this thread dead in it's tracks. You started a thread basing another faith, I do not see any learning or understanding going on here. Really? You think this is right?

Then all threads should be shut down if we all think the way you do.

We have two opposing gospels: the gospel of Jesus Christ versus the gospel of Watchtower.

If you take the time to really read the OP, you will see that Watchtower BASHES all of Christendom for preaching a false gospel.

This thread was created to defend that accusation, and to show that the gospel Christendom has preached for 1900 + years is the true gospel.

I suggest you read some of the many Watchtower quotes, which have been posted on this thread, and then decide who is bashing who.