JW's Preach A Different Gospel

[oldbadger]

Yes, to find the first worthy person they came across so they could stay at that one house. Then they stopped, as they found a place to stay for a few days. Then they preached to everyone in town. Not going door to door, otherwise they would've continued house to house, AFTER they found a house to stay in. But they didn't.

...nit-picking...!

Really............ A thread starts with the title, 'JWs teach a different Gospel', which expands to 'False Gospel'.
Next posts tell us how arrogant JWs, are, then that they don't door-knock' correctly.
We read of things that happened 80 years ago .....
The muck chucking contest for so called Christians..........

I've been to many kinds of Church, and listened to many kinds of Christians, and I'm amazed at how many have held a 'that lot can't teach us anything' or a 'that lot are so bad' attitude between each other. The Christians who I respect most do not chuck muck at anybody...... they live Christian lives, showing Christian values, walking the walk rather talking the talk, and one of the faiths that exhibit this impressive behaviour are Jehovah's Witnesses. They don't chuck muck at anybody, they just explain their own beliefs and show their faith through the way that they live.

The more that you criticise them and put them down, so the more do I see how much you envy their success, thriving and growing whilst other churches empty and get sold off (in the UK).

I cannot be a JW, but if I had embraced any Abrahamic religion it would surely have been theirs.

I need to leave this thread because there's nothing more that I can write, and nothing more that I need to read......

All the best to everybody....

 

[savagewind]

.............. and so you believe that all of Paul's rulings, laws, ideas and tenrets come direct from Jesus?....... even though Jesus did not mention them?
So Paul is the centre of your faith?
If you quote Jesus it might be better.

I think you are not playing fair. All the dogma of the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses that people speak against does not come from Jesus either.

 

[savagewind]

Where does The Bible say we must cling to an organization in the last days?

2 This is what Isaiah the son of A′moz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem:
2 In the final part of the days,The mountain of the house of JehovahWill become firmly established above the top of the mountains, And it will be raised up above the hills, And to it all the nations will stream.
3 And many peoples will go and say:“Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah,To the house of the God of Jacob.He will instruct us about his ways, And we will walk in his paths.”For law will go out of Zion, And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem.
4 He will render judgment among the nationsAnd set matters straight respecting many peoples.They will beat their swords into plowsharesAnd their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will they learn war anymore.
5 O house of Jacob, come, Let us walk in the light of Jehovah.

Jeremiah 16:19
LORD, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in time of distress, to you the nations will come from the ends of the earth and say, "Our ancestors possessed nothing but false gods, worthless idols that did them no good."

To your organization? To your servant the faithful and discreet slave? No! To Jehovah. Jesus made the way back to Jehovah. The Jehovah's Witnesses are taking it back for only themselves.

Someone might rightly say the OT prophesies have been fulfilled, but JWs do not believe that!

 

[JayJayDee]

And when was that tomb erected?
You think things don't change with greater understanding and better interpretations?
Why don't we go back into the Catholic Inquisition and throw stones at all Catholics
everywhere?
Anyone can dredge up crap by looking hard enough.
What matters is the here and now.
Why not look up the history of the L.D.S. and bash them while your at it?
Go back to the Salem witch burning's and blame all of Christianity?
That would makes as much sense as the vendetta against J.W.'s being
committed here.

Why didn't you show the entire monument? Because you didn't want readers to know
the man died in 1916?
You somehow doubt much has been learned since then?

Not to mention the fact that it is illegal to desecrate someone's grave. If Russell were here today, he would order it torn down. He made some wrong assumptions but they have long been corrected. He misinterpreted a scripture in Isaiah. Unlike the churches of Christendom, when we find out that things are in error, we correct them.

Christendom knows about the pagan origins of many of their beliefs, but they cling to them in spite of knowing the truth about them. They justify them and keep right on doing them. Which course would God approve?

 

[savagewind]

Not to mention the fact that it is illegal to desecrate someone's grave. If Russell were here today, he would order it torn down. He made some wrong assumptions but they have long been corrected. He misinterpreted a scripture in Isaiah. Unlike the churches of Christendom, when we find out that things are in error, we correct them.

Christendom knows about the pagan origins of many of their beliefs, but they cling to them in spite of knowing the truth about them. They justify them and keep right on doing them. Which course would God approve?

Colossians 2:16
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

 

[Nada]

Praise God! You and God are the only ones that can see in a mans heart and have the authority to judge!!

It had nothing to do with me nor God.The man who is walking up to people with a mic all intrusively has this video on a youtube channel dedicated to speaking against JW's. It is called propagandatechniques. There must be over 100 videos,all against the JW's.Wow! Now that's dedication.Lol... So these JW's somehow knew already by this mans demeanor that he was up to no good.They know who comes with love and who does not.This mans intensions were bad.He is not there for answers.He is there to sabotage any way possible.

Ps.Good job JW's!

 

[savagewind]

It had nothing to do with me nor God.The man who is walking up to people with a mic all intrusively has this video on a youtube channel dedicated to speaking against JW's. It is called propagandatechniques. There must be over 100 videos,all against the JW's.Wow! Now that's dedication.Lol... So these JW's somehow knew already by this mans demeanor that he was up to no good.They know who comes with love and who does not.This mans intensions were bad.He is not there for answers.He is there to sabotage any way possible.

Ps.Good job JW's!

Check it out. Does the governing body tell its members to be "no part of the world" and at the same time invest in a company that is funded by the US Navy?

Is this OK with you BibleStudent?

Is it OK with you BibleStudent that they invest in the Stock Market? Isn't the Stock Market a part of The World?

They say Jehovah will provide the means to preach the good news. OK? Isn't it lying if they make money in the Stock Market? Is Jehovah vested in the Stock Market?

 

[jeager106]

Is it OK with you BibleStudent that they invest in the Stock Market? Isn't the Stock Market a part of The World?
They say Jehovah will provide the means to preach the good news. OK? Isn't it lying if they make money in the Stock Market? Is Jehovah vested in the Stock Market?

Geee-whiz lady. I'M INVESTED in the stock market.
Am I going to hell for trying to make a buck?
I have natural gas royalties coming also. Is that going to condemn me to everlasting
torment?
I have a disability income better than most retirements. Should I give that money back
to save my "soul"?
Oh, where did I go so wrong?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Not to mention the fact that it is illegal to desecrate someone's grave. If Russell were here today, he would order it torn down. He made some wrong assumptions but they have long been corrected. He misinterpreted a scripture in Isaiah. Unlike the churches of Christendom, when we find out that things are in error, we correct them.

Christendom knows about the pagan origins of many of their beliefs, but they cling to them in spite of knowing the truth about them. They justify them and keep right on doing them. Which course would God approve?

Yes, Christendom knows the truth about the pagan origins of their belief. Do JW's know the truth, the complete truth?

How come the WTBTS only publishes part of what they quote from outside resources? About the pagan cross for example, the WT teaches this in it's "Reasoning from the Scripture" book,

*** rs p. 89 par. 1 Cross *** (Reasoning from the Scriptures: page 89, paragraph 1)
The Greek word rendered “cross” in many modern Bible versions (“torture stake” in NW) is stau·rosʹ. In classical Greek, this word meant merely an upright stake, or pale. Later it also came to be used for an execution stake having a crosspiece. The Imperial Bible-Dictionary acknowledges this, saying: [“The Greek word for cross, [stau·rosʹ], properly signified a stake, an upright pole, or piece of paling, on which anything might be hung, or which might be used in impaling [fencing in] a piece of ground. . . . Even amongst the Romans the crux (from which our cross is derived) appears to have been originally an upright pole.]”—Edited by P. Fairbairn (London, 1874), Vol. I, p. 376.

Notice how the WT stopped their quote at "pole". That's all they needed to prove their doctrine of a torture stake. But what does the rest of the article say about the cross? The very next sentence says, "But from the time that it began to be used as an instrument of punishment, a transverse piece of wood was commonly added:" You can continue reading to see what the WT didn't want you to know.

The rest of the article explains how the "CROSS" was primarily used in execution in the days of the Gospels. Notice the last paragraph in the image on the right. And if you continue reading the rest of the article, it explains the different shapes of the "CROSS" that was used. So, according to the IBD, which the WT quoted only the portion that meets the need for their doctrine, the "CROSS" was the more likely form of execution that Jesus suffered, not just a stake.

 

[jeager106]

This thread has turned into something resembling the Salem Witch Trails of
the 1600's.
18 "witches" were hanged by the Puritans. The puritans later became absorbed
into the many Protestant faiths.
So why not persecute Protestants for hanging witches in their dark history?
This ^^^^^ should make total sense to at least 4 members here.
Or, since we have a few here who love to dig up beginnings, why not address
the war between the Church of England and the Roman Catholic Church?

 

[savagewind]

Geee-whiz lady. I'M INVESTED in the stock market.
Am I going to hell for trying to make a buck?
I have natural gas royalties coming also. Is that going to condemn me to everlasting
torment?
I have a disability income better than most retirements. Should I give that money back
to save my "soul"?
Oh, where did I go so wrong?

Oh come on! THINK MAN. Do YOU tell other people that if they are a part of the world they make themselves enemies of GOD? Ever hear of hypocrisy?
THEY do things that they disfellowship other people for doing. PLEASE!

Also, do YOU tell people Jehovah is providing you profit?

When you make your money in the stock market do you say it is from Jehovah?

When I was a JW I did not know they made money in the stock market. Whenever they would say Jehovah is blessing the congregation I took them at their word. My husband tried to make me quit, it was a very difficult time. I did not quit because I believed the image they project. When I found out for myself it is a false image I left. i think that if he had told me they make money in the stock market I would have left a lot sooner. It is not the making of money in the market that is bad. It is that they call everything but themselves evil and that they say what they get from the evil world is from Jehovah.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

It had nothing to do with me nor God.The man who is walking up to people with a mic all intrusively has this video on a youtube channel dedicated to speaking against JW's. It is called propagandatechniques. There must be over 100 videos,all against the JW's.Wow! Now that's dedication.Lol... So these JW's somehow knew already by this mans demeanor that he was up to no good.They know who comes with love and who does not.This mans intensions were bad.He is not there for answers.He is there to sabotage any way possible.

Ps.Good job JW's!

This mans intentions were to reveal the control the GB has over their people, and he did a fine job at that! There is "NO" excuse for the way that treated that man, "NONE"!

Phi 1:15-18 (ESVST) 15 Some indeed preach Christ from envy and rivalry, but others from good will. 16 The latter do it out of love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. 17 The former proclaim Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely but thinking to afflict me in my imprisonment. 18 What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed, and in that I rejoice.

Did they proclaim Christ? Not in any way!!

 

[djhwoodwerks]

It had nothing to do with me nor God.The man who is walking up to people with a mic all intrusively has this video on a youtube channel dedicated to speaking against JW's. It is called propagandatechniques. There must be over 100 videos,all against the JW's.Wow! Now that's dedication.Lol... So these JW's somehow knew already by this mans demeanor that he was up to no good.They know who comes with love and who does not.This mans intensions were bad.He is not there for answers.He is there to sabotage any way possible.

Ps.Good job JW's!

So, you want to talk propaganda techniques, good we can go there also. Did you know, according to the GB that independent thinking is from satan himself?


*** g78 8/22 p. 3 Do Others Do Your Thinking? *** (Awake! 1978)
Propagandists have little respect for people’s thinking abilities. Hitler wrote: “The intelligence of the masses is small. Their forgetfulness is great. They must be told the same thing a thousand times.” Lenin was more discriminating. He used historical and scientific arguments to persuade the educated minority, but slogans and half-truths to arouse the masses, whom he considered unable to grasp complicated ideas. The pen may be mightier than the sword, but oftentimes it is used to prepare the way before the sword. (emphasis mine)


*** w89 9/15 p. 23 par. 13 Be Obedient to Those Taking the Lead ***
13In the world, there is a tendency to reject leadership. As one lecturer said: “The rising education level has improved the talent pool such that followers have become so critical that they are almost impossible to lead.”


*** w83 1/15 p. 22 Exposing the Devil’s Subtle Designs ***
20 From the very outset of his rebellion Satan called into question God’s way of doing things. He promoted independent thinking. ‘You can decide for yourself what is good and bad,’ Satan told Eve. ‘You don’t have to listen to God. He is not really telling you the truth.’ (Genesis 3:1-5) To this day, it has been Satan’s subtle design to infect God’s people with this type of thinking.—2 Timothy 3:1, 13.

21 How is such independent thinking manifested? A common way is by questioning the counsel that is provided by God’s visible organization.


*** km 9/07 p. 3 Question Box ***

Surely we are grateful for Jehovah’s spiritual provisions in these last days. Thus, “the faithful and discreet slave” does not endorse any literature, meetings, or Web sites that are not produced or organized under its oversight.—Matt. 24:45-47.

 

[Nada]

This mans intentions were to reveal the control the GB has over their people, and he did a fine job at that! There is "NO" excuse for the way that treated that man, "NONE"!

Phi 1:15-18 (ESVST) 15 Some indeed preach Christ from envy and rivalry, but others from good will. 16 The latter do it out of love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. 17 The former proclaim Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely but thinking to afflict me in my imprisonment. 18 What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed, and in that I rejoice.

Did they proclaim Christ? Not in any way!!

He tries to question and ask them about do they imitate Jesus, while the youtube channel his video is on represents hate.Lol...Nice try.

 

[savagewind]

He tries to question and ask them about do they imitate Jesus, while the youtube channel his video is on represents hate.Lol...Nice try.

Information is hate. But the JWs stand up for information. That is what they do. So some kinds of information are good (the JW kind) , but some kinds of information are bad (every other kind). Who is the judge? You? Someone thinks that's funny!
OK. So I looked at one about stroking infant genitalia and I can see you are right. So sorry. Sarcasm tends toward hate. I agree (Not funny sarcasm though).

 

[djhwoodwerks]

*** g78 8/22 p. 3 Do Others Do Your Thinking? ***
Tricks of Propagandists
Symbols stir feelings. Words such as mother, home, justice, freedom—all pack a wallop for the heart. Slogans are catchy and seem to be packed with wisdom. Favorable facts are exaggerated; the others are distorted or concealed. Oratory often substitutes for sound argument, and it diverts attention from unpleasant truths that cannot be concealed. Burn a building in one place while robbing a grocery store somewhere else, is the technique.




*** w01 6/15 p. 26 Be Joyful With the Kingdom Hope! ***
Brother Lösch concluded by saying: “In order to remain spiritually protected, we must remain under the wings of Jehovah. This means that we must not develop a spirit of independence. Let us always stay close to Jehovah "and" his motherlike organization, not separating ourselves from their direction and loving counsel.”


*** w78 10/1 p. 24 Deliverance! Proving Ourselves Grateful ***
We were short on the necessities of life, but our loving brothers in the United States, by means of the Watch Tower Society’s branch in Paris, provided us with clothes and other material help. That proved to us how Jehovah’s organization takes care of us, as a mother would.”


*** w88 7/1 p. 22 I Found Justice—Not in Politics but in True Christianity ***
All these years in God’s organization have taught us an important lesson. It is only among God’s people that true justice may be found, with no racial, tribal, or religious barriers.


*** w84 5/15 p. 21 par. 8 See the Blessings of Kingdom Unity! ***
The prophet continues with his divinely given message, stating: “And in the wilderness justice will certainly reside, and in the orchard righteousness itself will dwell.” (Isaiah 32:16) Certainly, justice and righteousness dwell in Jehovah’s visible theocratic organization.

​

 

[djhwoodwerks]

He tries to question and ask them about do they imitate Jesus, while the youtube channel his video is on represents hate.Lol...Nice try.

Yeah, nice try to you also! What does Philippians 1:15-18 say? It's apparent you didn't read that!

 

[savagewind]

All my good posts to the pit they go! What does this mean? The ignore feature here is a wonderful thing. Now I know what dead feels like.

 

[jeager106]

@djhwoodwerks

Here is some poo-poo I found on the net.
The Truth About Catholicism

"The purpose of this article is to turn the spotlight of truth upon Roman Catholicism both as to its past history and present teachings. Our sincere desire is to be of help to Catholics, many of whom are well aware that, in recent years, their church has been Instituting many changes, most of which have left them confused, uncertain, and deeply troubled. For the first time in their lives, many Catholics are raising serious questions about t their Church, its leaders, its teachings and its practices. They now realize that their church is not united but divided over issues such as birth control, abortion, divorce, celibacy for priests, women clergy, gay clergy, Papalinfallibility, prayer, worship, music, purgatory, confession and even the meaning of the Mass. The moral degeneracy and financial scandals which have rocked the Charismatic movement have also been exposed in the Roman Catholic Church, all the way from the Vatican to the local parish. Confusion reigns supreme and Catholics who take their religion seriously don't know which way to turn."

Note to Catholics. I detest digging up religious information as dirt so please understand
I'm not knocking anyone's religion. This is addressed to djhwoodwerk to simply show that
anyone can dig up ka-ka on any religion.
People are free to worship as they see fit.
Period.
And without the bashing that is going on here by a few.

 

[savagewind]

@djhwoodwerks


People are free to worship as they see fit.

Jehovah's Witnesses do not teach that. In fact, they are taught that if you leave them Jehovah won't accept your worship.

I think you are not listening.