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JW's Preach A Different Gospel

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
It reminds me of what Gods word says.

Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding;

Proverbs 28:26 Those who trust in themselves are fools
, but those who walk in wisdom are kept safe.

James 1:14-16.
14 But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust. 15Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death.16Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.…

It seems God's word encourages us not to rely on our own understandings.

Mark 7:21 For it is from within, out of a person's heart, that evil thoughts come--sexual immorality, theft, murder,

Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?

So what you're saying is, we shouldn't trust our own thinking or understanding, but we should trust some self proclaimed "COMPOSITE" slave to do our thinking for us? Are they not to trust their own thinking or understanding also?
 
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djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
I'm sure you can.Lol... From what I have seen..., anything you claim to be light,is actually darkness.

LMBO!! I'm not claiming anything! I'm "QUOTING" the "BIBLE" and I'm "QUOTING" the "WTBTS" "PUBLICATIONS". Everything I quoted is in print, it's nothing I conjured up of myself. You must be a JW prospect, and learning to avoid seeing the truth right in front of you!!
 
So what you're saying is, we shouldn't trust our own thinking or understanding, but we should trust some self proclaimed "COMPOSITE" slave to do our thinking for us? Aren't they not to trust their own thinking or understanding also?

It is obvious that if you truly believe in the holy scriptures being the very word of God, then yes it is safe to put your faith in His word and advice.If He says to depend on Him and not your own ways.He is trying to tell us that we are not capable of doing so without Him.We are all sinners according to the HS.Everything we think is evil all the time.Not in the scary monster way but things that do not comply with God's standards.This is satanic according to God.
 
LMBO!! I'm not claiming anything! I'm "QUOTING" the "BIBLE" and I'm "QUOTING" the "WTBTS" "PUBLICATIONS". Everything I quoted is in print, it's nothing I conjured up of myself. You must be a JW prospect, and learning to avoid seeing the truth right in front of you!!

I know what your objective is, and you are failing.You are just like those others ,like on that youtube channel.Out to expose according to what you think and speculate.I have seen your kind many times.It is your opinion though.Just as I have mine.You seem to be having some kind of bizarre relationship with this organization.You try everything in your power to make them look bad,yet it is you who comes off looking bad, with your ill intensions towards them.

If I wanted to I could have brought up all the corrupt stuff about all the other organizations. But for what when you have the holy scriptures to back it all up?
 

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
It is obvious that if you truly believe in the holy scriptures being the very word of God, then yes it is safe to put your faith in His word and advice.If He says to depend on Him and not your own ways.He is trying to tell us that we are not capable of doing so without Him.We are all sinners according to the HS.Everything we think is evil all the time.Not in the scary monster way but things that do not comply with God's standards.This is satanic according to God.

I agree with what you say. I put my trust in what the Bible says and in God. I will not put my trust in a group of men who are self professed to being the slave that Jesus presented in a question. I don't trust the GB because they claim "NEW LIGHT" means extinguishing old light, not adding to old light. My objection to the WTBTS has nothing to do with the JW's as persons, they are just heavily under mind control.

You commented that they teach exactly what the Bible teaches, did you read any of the contradictions in their teachings I posted?
 
I agree with what you say. I put my trust in what the Bible says and in God. I will not put my trust in a group of men who are self professed to being the slave that Jesus presented in a question. I don't trust the GB because they claim "NEW LIGHT" means extinguishing old light, not adding to old light. My objection to the WTBTS has nothing to do with the JW's as persons, they are just heavily under mind control.

You commented that they teach exactly what the Bible teaches, did you read any of the contradictions in their teachings I posted?

Have a nice day.:)
 

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
I know what your objective is, and you are failing.You are just like those others ,like on that youtube channel.Out to expose according to what you think and speculate.I have seen your kind many times.It is your opinion though.Just as I have mine.You seem to be having some kind of bizarre relationship with this organization.You try everything in your power to make them look bad,yet it is you who comes off looking bad, with your ill intensions towards them.

If I wanted to I could have brought up all the corrupt stuff about all the other organizations. But for what when you have the holy scriptures to back it all up?

It's apparent you are not reading my posts, or, you're not comprehending them. I post Bible reference and WT reference, which contradict each other. Which do you accept as truth?
 
It's apparent you are not reading my posts, or, you're not comprehending them. I post Bible reference and WT reference, which contradict each other. Which do you accept as truth?

Have a nice day.:)

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kjw47

Well-Known Member
I agree with what you say. I put my trust in what the Bible says and in God. I will not put my trust in a group of men who are self professed to being the slave that Jesus presented in a question. I don't trust the GB because they claim "NEW LIGHT" means extinguishing old light, not adding to old light. My objection to the WTBTS has nothing to do with the JW's as persons, they are just heavily under mind control.

You commented that they teach exactly what the Bible teaches, did you read any of the contradictions in their teachings I posted?


You are mistaken--Every JW( real one) chooses with the free will that God gave to them to listen to the GB, and they are very wise in doing so. I say 100% for sure--every mortal on the earth that knows what Jesus taught, knows The GB are the faithful and discreet slave--appointed by Jesus. And Gods word clearly teaches that the HS would tell the anointed they have been chosen. They did not self profess as you think.
Gods written word says there will be new light in the last days.-prov 4:18, Daniel 12:4-- Matt 24:45( see the words--at the proper time--that means-when God wills a truth known-progressive)

And here is what Gods word teaches about those who listen to Jesus' anointed teachers--the opposite rings true as well-Luke 10:16
 

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
You are mistaken--Every JW( real one) chooses with the free will that God gave to them to listen to the GB, and they are very wise in doing so. I say 100% for sure--every mortal on the earth that knows what Jesus taught, knows The GB are the faithful and discreet slave--appointed by Jesus. And Gods word clearly teaches that the HS would tell the anointed they have been chosen. They did not self profess as you think.
Gods written word says there will be new light in the last days.-prov 4:18, Daniel 12:4-- Matt 24:45( see the words--at the proper time--that means-when God wills a truth known-progressive)

And here is what Gods word teaches about those who listen to Jesus' anointed teachers--the opposite rings true as well-Luke 10:16

The following alone is false teaching. That is a false claim by the GB

Luke 11:13 (ESVST) 13 If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!"

*** w73 7/1 p. 402 par. 4 Praise Jehovah with His People ***
4 Consider, too, the fact that Jehovah’s organization alone, in all the earth, is directed by God’s holy spirit or active force.

I know the GB and JW's love to use Proverbs 4:18 to explain away false predictions, or erroneous teaching, please explain how that verse, taken in context means anything other than the way a person should live. That verse has nothing to do with the "LIGHT OF TRUTH". You can't use it to explain erroneous predictions.

Pro 4:10-13 (ESVST) 10 Hear, my son, and accept my words, that the years of your life may be many.11 I have taught you the way of wisdom; I have led you in the paths of uprightness.
12 When you walk, your step will not be hampered, and if you run, you will not stumble.13 Keep hold of instruction; do not let go; guard her, for she is your life.14 Do not enter the path of the wicked, and do not walk in the way of the evil.15 Avoid it; do not go on it; turn away from it and pass on.16 For they cannot sleep unless they have done wrong; they are robbed of sleep unless they have made someone stumble.17 For they eat the bread of wickedness and drink the wine of violence.18 But the path of the righteous is like the light of dawn, which shines brighter and brighter until full day.19 The way of the wicked is like deep darkness; they do not know over what they stumble.
 
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djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
*** w10 12/15 p. 10 par. 14 Be Zealous for True Worship ***
14 In prayer to God, Jesus clearly stated: “Your word is truth.” (John 17:17) And before leaving the earthly scene, Jesus indicated that he would appoint “the faithful and discreet slave” to provide spiritual food for his people. (Matt. 24:45) (They are indicating a future appointment)


Mat 24:45 (ESVST) 45 " Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom his master has set over his household, to give them their food at the proper time? (Jesus has indicated a present or past appointment)



*** ws chap. 1 p. 10 par. 16 The Desire for Peace and Security Worldwide ***
Jesus Christ, is not the Mediator between Jehovah God and all mankind. He is the Mediator between his heavenly Father, Jehovah God, and the nation of spiritual Israel, which is limited to only 144,000 members.


1Ti 2:4-6 (ESVST) 5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all. (The Bible says there is "ONE" mediator between God and men, Jesus. Because He gave Himself as ransom for "ALL" not just 144,000)

The GB teaches a different Gospel than the Bible teaches. Does it not say that Jesus "gave Himself as a ransom for "ALL"?
 

katiemygirl

CHRISTIAN
OK.....


No. This part of G-Mark never existed in the earliest copies that we have. It was added later..... not original.


They were called 'Good News' later on.
G-Mark is the strongest report of Jesus's mission that exists.


So Peter's and Paul's reported and written words are stronger than those of Jesus?
All you've got is Paul's stuff, it seems.


What did Jesus do and say?
Let's stick with Jesus....?


How many doors do you knock on per week? You'd have to be strong to do what JWs do.


AGAIN! And AGAIN you attack other faiths!

And it goes on and on, from post to post, endlessly
I cannot discuss or debate JW belief with you because I am not a JW.
JWs would be as displeased with me as you when I discard Paul's and other's decisions about what Jesus wanted.

I'll post again after this, with another of your sentences .....
You reject all of the Bible except Mark, and you won't even accept all of his gospel.

Honestly, you are wasting my time. I'm putting you on ignore. Bye.
 

JFish123

Active Member
You are mistaken--Every JW( real one) chooses with the free will that God gave to them to listen to the GB, and they are very wise in doing so. I say 100% for sure--every mortal on the earth that knows what Jesus taught, knows The GB are the faithful and discreet slave--appointed by Jesus. And Gods word clearly teaches that the HS would tell the anointed they have been chosen. They did not self profess as you think.
Gods written word says there will be new light in the last days.-prov 4:18, Daniel 12:4-- Matt 24:45( see the words--at the proper time--that means-when God wills a truth known-progressive)

And here is what Gods word teaches about those who listen to Jesus' anointed teachers--the opposite rings true as well-Luke 10:16
Gods will and truth are not "progressive." It is Truth regardless of where in history you live in or where on earth you are. This "progressive" light the GB uses, is so when they change doctrines or fail in predictions they can not be at fault. It's pretty clever, though completely unbiblical.
 

kjw47

Well-Known Member
The following alone is false teaching. That is a false claim by the GB

Luke 11:13 (ESVST) 13 If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!"

*** w73 7/1 p. 402 par. 4 Praise Jehovah with His People ***
4 Consider, too, the fact that Jehovah’s organization alone, in all the earth, is directed by God’s holy spirit or active force.

I know the GB and JW's love to use Proverbs 4:18 to explain away false predictions, or erroneous teaching, please explain how that verse, taken in context means anything other than the way a person should live. That verse has nothing to do with the "LIGHT OF TRUTH". You can't use it to explain erroneous predictions.

Pro 4:10-13 (ESVST) 10 Hear, my son, and accept my words, that the years of your life may be many.11 I have taught you the way of wisdom; I have led you in the paths of uprightness.
12 When you walk, your step will not be hampered, and if you run, you will not stumble.13 Keep hold of instruction; do not let go; guard her, for she is your life.14 Do not enter the path of the wicked, and do not walk in the way of the evil.15 Avoid it; do not go on it; turn away from it and pass on.16 For they cannot sleep unless they have done wrong; they are robbed of sleep unless they have made someone stumble.17 For they eat the bread of wickedness and drink the wine of violence.18 But the path of the righteous is like the light of dawn, which shines brighter and brighter until full day.19 The way of the wicked is like deep darkness; they do not know over what they stumble.


They said truth. God never had more than a single religion, one truth, one faith, one God, one religion. a worldwide brotherhood, united in love, peace and thought( 1Cor 1:10)
NWT says at 18--- until the day is firmly established--(the day of Jehovah)( old nwt) the new one says-- until full daylight.---but both carry the same meaning--- and along with Daniel 12:4 and Matt 24:45 like I explained--the JW teachers are correct.


see the path of the righteous shines brighter and brighter( light of truth)
 

JFish123

Active Member
You are mistaken--Every JW( real one) chooses with the free will that God gave to them to listen to the GB, and they are very wise in doing so. I say 100% for sure--every mortal on the earth that knows what Jesus taught, knows The GB are the faithful and discreet slave--appointed by Jesus. And Gods word clearly teaches that the HS would tell the anointed they have been chosen. They did not self profess as you think.
Gods written word says there will be new light in the last days.-prov 4:18, Daniel 12:4-- Matt 24:45( see the words--at the proper time--that means-when God wills a truth known-progressive)

And here is what Gods word teaches about those who listen to Jesus' anointed teachers--the opposite rings true as well-Luke 10:16
The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, commonly known as the Jehovah's Witnesses, claims to be the faithful and discreet slave spoken of in Matt. 24:42-46
As "The faithful and discreet slave" it claims that only its organization is capable of rightly understanding God's word: "Only this organization functions for Jehovah's purpose and to his praise. To it alone God's Sacred Word, the Bible, is not a sealed book (Watchtower, July 1, 1973, p. 402).

The Jehovah's Witnesses are certainly zealous for their beliefs, but they are misguided in those beliefs. The Watchtower Organization, including all the Jehovah's Witnesses, is not the faithful and discreet slave spoken of by Jesus in Matt. 24:42-46. The faithful and discreet slave is simply all who are true Christians.

A faithful slave of God does not make false prophecies

Dismantling the Watchtower claim that it is the faithful and discreet slave is easy. All we need to do is look at the track record of the Watchtower as an organization and see if it has been faithful. Consider the following false prophecies made by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society over the years:

1899 " . . . the 'battle of the great day of God Almighty' (Revelation 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced," (The Time Is at Hand, 1908 edition, p. 101).
1918 "Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews 11, to the condition of human perfection," (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, p. 89).
1922 "The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the Scriptures than 1914," (Watchtower, Sept. 1, 1922, p. 262).
1923 "Our thought is, that 1925 is definitely settled by the Scriptures. As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base his faith than Noah had upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge," (Watchtower, Apr. 1, 1923, p. 106).
1931 "There was a measure of disappointment on the part of Jehovah's faithful ones on earth concerning the years 1917, 1918, and 1925, which disappointment lasted for a time . . . and they also learned to quit fixing dates," (Vindication, p. 338).
1941 "Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon," (Watchtower, Sept. 15, 1941, p. 288).
1968 "True, there have been those in times past who predicted an 'end to the world,' even announcing a specific date. Yet nothing happened. The 'end' did not come. They were guilty of false prophesying. Why? What was missing? . . . Missing from such people were God's truths and evidence that he was using and guiding them," (Awake, Oct. 8, 1968).
I agree with the final quote in the Awake magazine. The previous false prophecies of the Watchtower organization demonstrate that it is lacking God's truths. If it is, then it is not the faithful and discreet slave.
Charles Taze Russell was called the Faithful and Discreet Slave
Apparently, Charles Taze Russell, the founder of the Jehovah's Witnesses, was called the "faithful and discreet slave."
Thousands of readers of Pastor Russell's writings believe that he filled the office of 'that faithful and wise servant' and that his great work was giving to the household of faith meat in due season. His modesty and humility precluded him from openly claiming this title, but he admitted as much in private conversation, (Watchtower Dec. 1, 1916, p. 357).
Which is it? Is the Watchtower right or wrong about Russell? Given that it has made many errors in the past in its prophecies which proves it does not speak for God, it seems clear that the Watchtower Organization is clearly not the "faithful and discreet slave" mentioned by Jesus. A slave of God would not go around changing its doctrines, making false prophecies, or attempting to control the thinking of its people. The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society is not the faithful and discreet slave.
 

kjw47

Well-Known Member
Gods will and truth are not "progressive." It is Truth regardless of where in history you live in or where on earth you are. This "progressive" light the GB uses, is so when they change doctrines or fail in predictions they can not be at fault. It's pretty clever, though completely unbiblical.


Well then, how do explain these truths that were hidden until the last days?( Daniel 12:4)

the reality--- only Jesus anointed teachers get these truths revealed through them to share at the proper time.
As well the prohecys of the Daniel-revelation correlations only through Jesus' anointed teachers.

that means until these last days--not a single mortal knew those truths--thus taught error on those matters-- thus corrections would have to be made in front of all the hearts claiming to be Christian.
I have seen the corrections, so has the whole supposed Christian world. But light cannot enter the darkness.
 
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