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JW's Preach A Different Gospel
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katiemygirl
CHRISTIAN
Hahaha! I love Jim! Just looking at him makes me laugh.
Jehovah, the word, the title, the name, probably is a mishmash of words.
Why would it not me since we only have 4 consonants and no vowels to
go by?
Jehovah (/dʒɨˈhoʊvə/ jə-hoh-və) is a Latinization of the Hebrew יְהֹוָה, one vocalization of the Tetragrammaton יהוה (YHWH), the proper name of the God of Israel in the Hebrew Bible. This vocalization has been transliterated as "Yehowah",[1] while YHWH itself has been transliterated as "Yahweh".[2]
יְהֹוָה appears 6,518 times in the traditional Masoretic Text, in addition to 305 instances of יֱהֹוִה (Jehovih).[3] The earliest available Latin text to use a vocalization similar to Jehovah dates from the 13th century.[4]
Most scholars believe "Jehovah" to be a late (c. 1100 CE) hybrid form derived by combining the Latin letters JHVH with the vowels of Adonai, but there is some evidence that it may already have been in use in Late Antiquity (5th century).
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From wiki
Jehovah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jfish123 a question, a fair question that deserves a fair answer.
If you have already posted an answer then I missed it. I don't pay all that much attention
to threads with a vindictive quality.
What makes you and woodyworks an expert on J.W.'s?
What makes you and woody (he can answer for himself) experts on the Bible?
Do you have a degree in theology, some kind of credentials from a university?
A seminary?
Anything besides being fairly good a digging crap on the internet.
Just for grins I tried that on about every major Christian denomination and found
all kinds of negativity about all major brands of Xtiainity.
Most notable were two and they had nothing to do with J.W.s.
@JFish123
and woodwerk
Here and try not to choke up on this. I'd hate to see you guys get sick.
Why are most Jehovah's Witnesses former Roman Catholics?
Read it and weep. If you can weep. (that's a joke of course
)
Roman Catholics and Jehovah's Witnesses are strikingly similar!
FACT: The vast majority of Jehovah's Witnesses were former Catholics.
Roman Catholics and Jehovah's Witnesses share exactly these same qualities:
and woodwerk
Here and try not to choke up on this. I'd hate to see you guys get sick.
Why are most Jehovah's Witnesses former Roman Catholics?
Read it and weep. If you can weep. (that's a joke of course
)Roman Catholics and Jehovah's Witnesses are strikingly similar!
FACT: The vast majority of Jehovah's Witnesses were former Catholics.
- They had very little real change to make.
- They just switched organizations and creeds!!!
- Now you know why.
Roman Catholics and Jehovah's Witnesses share exactly these same qualities:
- Centralized World-wide church government from which all official doctrine comes. The Pope and the Governing body.
- A city where world headquarters permanently resides: Rome, Italy and Brooklyn, NY, USA
- Authority of this "world organization" is not to be questioned.
- Both consider God to be the head of the world organization.
- Both the Pope and the Governing body both claim inspiration.
- Both organizations are "spirit directed" by God.
- A simple definition of both is as follows: "Definition of a Catholic/Jw: 'Someone who accepts Rome/Brooklyn as God's visible spirit-directed theocratic organization upon the earth.
- Both have official yearly meetings of the world leaders.
- The official doctrines that have changed dramatically over time.
- Both claim "new light" or progressive revelation to explain doctrinal changes.
- Both share a similar hermeneutic on how to determine truth: Catholics have a system called, "Doctrine of Development" popularized by Dr. Newman, but anticipated by the German theologian Mohler in his work, Symbolik. This hermeneutic contended that Christ had committed to His Church certain seeds and germs of truth, destined afterwards to expand to definite forms; that He did not intend that the teaching of His Church should be always the same; but ordained that it should go on continually improving under the guidance of His Holy Spirit. Jw's employ exactly the same hermeneutic but call it by a different name: "New Light"
- Both teach the organization is supreme over the Bible rather than the Bible being supreme over the organization.
- The average members are told by the organization that they cannot understand the Bible without the help of the official organization.
- Both discourage independent thinking from the world organization.
- Both continue to blindly follow the organization in spite of major doctrinal changes, reversals and flip-flops.
- Both "explain away" doctrinal changes, reversals and flip-flops by claiming "new light".
- Both view every other church as heretical and false.
- No salvation outside of their organization.
- The word of the organization is unquestionably final.
- Interpreting the Bible is the sole right of the organization.
- Both make claims that because of their size, growth, activity, they must have the truth.
- Both have authoritative writings in addition to the Bible. Creeds, catechisms and the watchtower.
- Both teach that you cannot understand the Bible unless you compare the Bible with their official "authoritative writings" Creeds and Watchtower.
- Both have an official clergy system with special privileges and rights the common member does not have. Priests and the Governing body.
- Both have system of monasteries where "most holy and dedicated" selflessly pledge to do the "work for God" without any material rewards. No children are allowed in both. Catholic = monasteries; JW = Bethel
- Both withhold the Lord's Supper/communion from the common people. Only the governing body (the 144,000) of Jw's are allowed to have communion, the average "publisher" that knocks on your door is not allowed to obey Jesus' command to communion weekly on the first day. For Catholics, there was about 900 year period (Council of Lambeth, Council of Trent, communion under one kind/species) that ended in the 19th century under Vatican II (1970 AD), where only the priests were allowed to have the blood. (This policy was changed and now Catholics are allowed to have the blood) It is interesting that when Jw's were formed 1880-1925 AD, Roman Catholics did not partake of the blood/wine in communion.
@katiemygirl
et.al.
Here are some KIND words from a Catholic site about J.W.s.
(really!)
(about 66% of J.W.s are former Catholics!)
The Jehovah’s Witnesses are quite forthcoming about their religious beliefs. Their religion, unlike Mormonism, isn’t an esoteric one with secret doctrines known only to an initiated few.
When Mormons come to your door, they don’t tell you that they believe in many gods, that Jesus and Lucifer were "spirit brothers," and that dark skin (in the case of blacks, Indians, and Hispanics) is supposedly a curse from God in punishment for wickedness. If they told you such things up front, you’d close the door immediately. Such teachings are saved for initiates. Thus, Mormonism is an esoteric religion (Webster: "esoteric: designed for or understood by the specially initiated alone").
The religion of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, on the other hand, is exoteric (Webster: "suitable to be imparted to the public"). They’re happy to tell you up front exactly what they believe, and they tell you not just when at your door, but in their publications.
From:
Distinctive Beliefs of the Jehovah's Witnesses | Catholic Answers
Now, now, don't get upset with me I'm only human and not a J.W.
I DO believe J.W.s have uncovered much about the pagan (statanic) influences
on Christendom.
I strongly believe that's why they are HATED so much by others who CLAIM
to be Christians. Christendom is AFRAID that the J.W.'s might just be dead right on
about much they speak of as "the Truth".
NO ONE like a teller of the truth.
Read "The Wild Duck" by Henrik Ibsen. It's a very short and famous play.
Well famous to most who attended universities. I had to read it and write essays
on the play when I was in one of the universities I graduated from.
et.al.
Here are some KIND words from a Catholic site about J.W.s.
(really!)
(about 66% of J.W.s are former Catholics!)
The Jehovah’s Witnesses are quite forthcoming about their religious beliefs. Their religion, unlike Mormonism, isn’t an esoteric one with secret doctrines known only to an initiated few.
When Mormons come to your door, they don’t tell you that they believe in many gods, that Jesus and Lucifer were "spirit brothers," and that dark skin (in the case of blacks, Indians, and Hispanics) is supposedly a curse from God in punishment for wickedness. If they told you such things up front, you’d close the door immediately. Such teachings are saved for initiates. Thus, Mormonism is an esoteric religion (Webster: "esoteric: designed for or understood by the specially initiated alone").
The religion of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, on the other hand, is exoteric (Webster: "suitable to be imparted to the public"). They’re happy to tell you up front exactly what they believe, and they tell you not just when at your door, but in their publications.
From:
Distinctive Beliefs of the Jehovah's Witnesses | Catholic Answers
Now, now, don't get upset with me I'm only human and not a J.W.
I DO believe J.W.s have uncovered much about the pagan (statanic) influences
on Christendom.
I strongly believe that's why they are HATED so much by others who CLAIM
to be Christians. Christendom is AFRAID that the J.W.'s might just be dead right on
about much they speak of as "the Truth".
NO ONE like a teller of the truth.
Read "The Wild Duck" by Henrik Ibsen. It's a very short and famous play.
Well famous to most who attended universities. I had to read it and write essays
on the play when I was in one of the universities I graduated from.
..and you're darned right they preach a different Gospel!
Why would they adhere to Holy Tradition and go alone with the satanic lies
that permeate Christendom?
..and about Jesus being put to death upon a cross.
Yes indeed the Historical Jesus was most likely tortured on a cross.
It seems to have been the Roman way, but understand the Romans didn't always
use the cross. A cross was laborious to make, took time and a bit of skill and TOOLS
which were expensive to get. It was easier to use a simple sturdy tree trunk stuck
in a hole in the ground and it could be used over and over and more cheaply.
Do some real research and anyone can learn a torture stake wasn't uncommon.
I still think it was a cross but the means has little to do with the Jesus story.
It's what the cross has come to SYMBOLIZE that many Bible students object to.
Get it?
Why would they adhere to Holy Tradition and go alone with the satanic lies
that permeate Christendom?
..and about Jesus being put to death upon a cross.
Yes indeed the Historical Jesus was most likely tortured on a cross.
It seems to have been the Roman way, but understand the Romans didn't always
use the cross. A cross was laborious to make, took time and a bit of skill and TOOLS
which were expensive to get. It was easier to use a simple sturdy tree trunk stuck
in a hole in the ground and it could be used over and over and more cheaply.
Do some real research and anyone can learn a torture stake wasn't uncommon.
I still think it was a cross but the means has little to do with the Jesus story.
It's what the cross has come to SYMBOLIZE that many Bible students object to.
Get it?
Im not Catholic sooooo yeah@JFish123
and woodwerk
Here and try not to choke up on this. I'd hate to see you guys get sick.
Why are most Jehovah's Witnesses former Roman Catholics?
Read it and weep. If you can weep. (that's a joke of course
Roman Catholics and Jehovah's Witnesses are strikingly similar!
FACT: The vast majority of Jehovah's Witnesses were former Catholics.
Why are most Jehovah's Witnesses former Roman Catholics?
- They had very little real change to make.
- They just switched organizations and creeds!!!
- Now you know why.
Roman Catholics and Jehovah's Witnesses share exactly these same qualities:
- Centralized World-wide church government from which all official doctrine comes. The Pope and the Governing body.
- A city where world headquarters permanently resides: Rome, Italy and Brooklyn, NY, USA
- Authority of this "world organization" is not to be questioned.
- Both consider God to be the head of the world organization.
- Both the Pope and the Governing body both claim inspiration.
- Both organizations are "spirit directed" by God.
- A simple definition of both is as follows: "Definition of a Catholic/Jw: 'Someone who accepts Rome/Brooklyn as God's visible spirit-directed theocratic organization upon the earth.
- Both have official yearly meetings of the world leaders.
- The official doctrines that have changed dramatically over time.
- Both claim "new light" or progressive revelation to explain doctrinal changes.
- Both share a similar hermeneutic on how to determine truth: Catholics have a system called, "Doctrine of Development" popularized by Dr. Newman, but anticipated by the German theologian Mohler in his work, Symbolik. This hermeneutic contended that Christ had committed to His Church certain seeds and germs of truth, destined afterwards to expand to definite forms; that He did not intend that the teaching of His Church should be always the same; but ordained that it should go on continually improving under the guidance of His Holy Spirit. Jw's employ exactly the same hermeneutic but call it by a different name: "New Light"
- Both teach the organization is supreme over the Bible rather than the Bible being supreme over the organization.
- The average members are told by the organization that they cannot understand the Bible without the help of the official organization.
- Both discourage independent thinking from the world organization.
- Both continue to blindly follow the organization in spite of major doctrinal changes, reversals and flip-flops.
- Both "explain away" doctrinal changes, reversals and flip-flops by claiming "new light".
- Both view every other church as heretical and false.
- No salvation outside of their organization.
- The word of the organization is unquestionably final.
- Interpreting the Bible is the sole right of the organization.
- Both make claims that because of their size, growth, activity, they must have the truth.
- Both have authoritative writings in addition to the Bible. Creeds, catechisms and the watchtower.
- Both teach that you cannot understand the Bible unless you compare the Bible with their official "authoritative writings" Creeds and Watchtower.
- Both have an official clergy system with special privileges and rights the common member does not have. Priests and the Governing body.
- Both have system of monasteries where "most holy and dedicated" selflessly pledge to do the "work for God" without any material rewards. No children are allowed in both. Catholic = monasteries; JW = Bethel
- Both withhold the Lord's Supper/communion from the common people. Only the governing body (the 144,000) of Jw's are allowed to have communion, the average "publisher" that knocks on your door is not allowed to obey Jesus' command to communion weekly on the first day. For Catholics, there was about 900 year period (Council of Lambeth, Council of Trent, communion under one kind/species) that ended in the 19th century under Vatican II (1970 AD), where only the priests were allowed to have the blood. (This policy was changed and now Catholics are allowed to have the blood) It is interesting that when Jw's were formed 1880-1925 AD, Roman Catholics did not partake of the blood/wine in communion.
gorkybjork
Member
Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto ever man that hearth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
So how many of y'all have the bonifide truth? I think a lot of you were persuaded by emotion more than sensibility. God revealed a bit of himself to you and you got carried away and believed EVERYTHING that you received at that moment. That's how it is, a lot of times, especially for those who were on drugs at the time you were initially touched by God. Yes, you received a bit of truth, I agree, but somehow your own BIAS led you to make conclusions that were not true. Just look around you? How many people's ideas fit perfectly with your own? So God demands 100% truth, right? I don't believe the JW stuff, but how many of y'all have doctrines that are also imperfect. Remember if you're off one point you're doomed.
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
So how many of y'all have the bonifide truth? I think a lot of you were persuaded by emotion more than sensibility. God revealed a bit of himself to you and you got carried away and believed EVERYTHING that you received at that moment. That's how it is, a lot of times, especially for those who were on drugs at the time you were initially touched by God. Yes, you received a bit of truth, I agree, but somehow your own BIAS led you to make conclusions that were not true. Just look around you? How many people's ideas fit perfectly with your own? So God demands 100% truth, right? I don't believe the JW stuff, but how many of y'all have doctrines that are also imperfect. Remember if you're off one point you're doomed.
Im not Catholic sooooo yeah
Never thought for a moment you were. Doubt you are Christian at all.
And your post was so childish and beneath you.
Christians aren't afraid of Jehovahs Witnesses man. Sorry to tell you. We know there bible is distorted because of all the evidence. I'm sorry but the Evidence is out there. Been for a very long time. And it's not just mans or Christendom's opinion on the Watchtower. The Bible speaks against there theology clearly over and over again. And the thing that makes The Watchtower and Mormonism the same is that they were both started by one man almost 2,000 years after Christ who decided to interpret the bible differently. Much like the founder of The Watchtower, Charles Taze Russell who wasn't "comfortable" with the idea of a hell. So he interpreted scripture to fit his feelings about it. And I'm sure you'd agree that's not the way to look at the Bible.
Unlike The Watchtower, we don't need an earthly organization to help us understand everything about the Bible. There like the old Medievil Catholic Church which read from the scriptures in another language (Latin) and then told others what it meant. Gods word is for everyone. Not for an earthly organization to say what it thinks it says. We think for ourselves. Which goes to show you only need Gods word, not the Watchtower, nor even a degree. Would anyone having a degree make the Truth they have of Gods word any more true? It would not. So if your trying to suggest if someone doesn't have a degree or the backing of the Watchtower, then there views can't be trusted or believed or cared about, that's just, well, a bankrupt way to go about thinking about people and there beliefs or ideas. You base what they say on Gods Word, degree or not. Gods word is the standard, not an organizations to direct you to what they believe is truth. Cause what they believe, much like the Watchtower, is wrong.
kjw47
Well-Known Member
And I say--both Jehovah and Jesus have made Gods name known. And since the only teachers I ever found who teach what Jesus taught say is his name, I certainly will believe them. Listening to Jesus is the key, God handed all for free to the entrance of his kingdom. Few believe him over mens dogmas--
I shared 6 very important teachings earlier in this thread--Jesus points his true followers to his Father, and teaches it all belongs to the Father. Because he taught truth when he said--The Father is greater than i.
kjw47
Well-Known Member
The real distortion-----
John 1:1--In the beginning, the logos( word) was, and the Logos was with (Ho) Theos, and the word was Theos( no (Ho ) prior to this Theos)
The only word in greek for God or god is Theos--talking about the true almighty God( Ho) preceded Theos--in the last line it was not calling the Logos, the God--just god( small g)--carries the meaning--has godlike qualities. Because-Acts 2:22--It was Gods power going through Jesus.
And its impossible for God to be with God--there is 1 God
2nd major error---Proskenau--greek-- 5 different meanings to English--1) worship to God--2) obeisance to a king-plus 3 others.
While on earth Jesus was made-lower than the angels( Hebrews 2:7) a mortal--Gods word teaches not even to give worship to an angel--thus fact = obeisance is the correct usage of proskenau to a mortal Jesus--trinity translations have worship listed
both of these 2 above are fact--the 2 main trinity arguments are false out of errored translations. Catholicism error in translating. There was no trinity taught in the council of Nicea, it was added later at another council--there is no trinity god in existence--There is no one besides--YHVH(Jehovah)
kjw47
Well-Known Member
Im not Catholic sooooo yeah
Catholicism translating is responsible for every trinity translation in existence-- After the councils--they wouldn't allow anyone to read Gods written word for themselves( flock) about 1000 years they kept Gods word in Latin, only high clergy could read it. So after all that time, finally after burning many alive for trying to translate to the language of the day, they allowed it to be translated--Men were allowed to read it for themselves--They ran from Catholicism( 2Thess 2:3) And a house divided began( Mark 3:24-26)--but all the translating errors carried over into every trinity based translation, because they didn't know any better, the originals were all gone, Catholicism translating is all that remained-- translating that included everything they made up at those councils. Councils held because they didn't know truth.
Oh, and there are NO aids to help in understanding the Bible used by other
"earthy organizations"?
Christian denominations are not "earthly organizations"?
Your comments utterly fail even a child's logic.
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When was the last time you went to a book store and viewed the "religion" section?
Your "arguments" have failed. You need go back to bashing.
Do you mean an accurate Study Bible?
At university I learned with the N.I.V. Study Bible. Quite good.
"One true perfect Bible"?
Hell if I know & if I did I'd be promoting it on my t-v show.
I tend to read the N.W.T. latest version that came out last year.
McBell
Unbound
No.
i mean the one and only accepted by the one and only true god version.
Until it can be shown which version is the one that god says is the one true version, this thread is nothing more than a penis measuring competition.
My complaint is that we're now on page 28. How's anybody ever going to find my awesome posts, now? Plus I don't remember what I posted.