Karma and the Mandate of Heaven

[danieldemol]

For the third time in this thread:

Karma is causality. Action/reaction. Cause/effect.

We have English words for action/reaction cause/effect that dont involve woo thank you very much.

Duration between cause and effect is irrelevant. Reincarnation is irrelevant.

This is from the opening paragraphs of your link;
'the principle of karma, wherein intent and actions of an individual (cause) influence the future of that individual (effect):[2] Good intent and good deeds contribute to good karma and happier rebirths, while bad intent and bad deeds contribute to bad karma and bad rebirths.'

So much for duration and reincarnation being irrelevant ay.

And clearly, based on your example and conclusion based on that example, you're in complete ignorance of how karma works.

Not so in my view, read your own link

Your example and conclusion is nothing short of silly.

It precisely explains the Indian concept of karma, that the concept is indeed silly is no fault of mine in my view

 

[SalixIncendium]

We have English words for action/reaction cause/effect that dont involve woo thank you very much.

So Sanskrit implies woo? Is that how language works?

This is from the opening paragraphs of your link;
'the principle of karma, wherein intent and actions of an individual (cause) influence the future of that individual (effect):[2] Good intent and good deeds contribute to good karma and happier rebirths, while bad intent and bad deeds contribute to bad karma and bad rebirths.'

So much for duration and reincarnation being irrelevant ay.

Not so in my view, read your own link

It precisely explains the Indian concept of karma, that the concept is indeed silly is no fault of mine in my view

I've read the link...and the entire article. You clearly have not done the latter. All you've demonstrated here is you can open a link and start reading an article and stop when you see something that you perceive as woo and attempt to invalidate the whatever is being discussed.

Until you educate yourself on the concept, I see no point in reading anything else you have to say on it.

 

[soulsurvivor]

Do you think God is a Democrat?

Hardly. Jesus was definitely leftist but far more so than Democrats. 'sell all that you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven' - a democrat or a republican would not say that.

 

[soulsurvivor]

I don't think he is doing anything that bad that would be reason for judgment.

I am sure God will take your opinion into account.

 

[Secret Chief]

We have English words for action/reaction cause/effect that dont involve woo thank you very much.

I think that is a little unfair. Karma is a Sanskrit word. If you translate it into English, the word is "action." If you translate the English word "action" into Sanskrit, it becomes "karma."
That's it.
The woo comes (or not) when the word is used in the context of religions. (Within and between which are varied understandings of the word).

 

[danieldemol]

So Sanskrit implies woo?

strawman, the word karma to an Indian means the force which translates reaction into future lives - that is woo.

Until you educate yourself on the concept, I see no point in reading anything else you have to say on it.

Remain ignorant then in my opinion.

 

[danieldemol]

I think that is a little unfair. Karma is a Sanskrit word. If you translate it into English, the word is "action." If you translate the English word "action" into Sanskrit, it becomes "karma."
That's it.
The woo comes (or not) when the word is used in the context of religions.

I agree with this, but the context of the OP which @SalixIncendium appears to be trying to defend *is* a religious context, and that is what im refuting in my opinion.

 

[Secret Chief]

I agree with this, but the context of the OP which @SalixIncendium appears to be trying to defend *is* a religious context, and that is what im refuting in my opinion.

Ok. (I've just added a bit to my post, btw. I'm a bugger for that).

 

[danieldemol]

Ok. (I've just added a bit to my post, btw. I'm a bugger for that).

That's ok, I still agree to it

 

[SalixIncendium]

strawman, the word karma to an Indian means the force which translates reaction into future lives - that is woo.

I'm not the only person to interpret your comment that way, so your accusation of a straw man is null.

I agree with this, but the context of the OP which @SalixIncendium appears to be trying to defend *is* a religious context, and that is what im refuting in my opinion.

Show me where in this thread, in my own words, where I was defending anything, let alone in a religious context.

I educating people on their misconception of karma. You pulled one statement in an article I shared and cried, "Woo!"

One can apply a religious context to practically anything. Applying it to karma does not change the meaning of the word.

I shared some useful insights both here and in the article I linked. Again...your choice. Educate yourself or remain in ignorance.

 

[danieldemol]

One can apply a religious context to practically anything. Applying it to karma does not change the meaning of the word.

In my view applying the specific religious context of the OP adds baggage to the word karma that can only be described as woo.

The OP clearly considers karma to be like a force which can defer reaction to irrelevant situations to the action such as future lives in my opinion and that is what im rejecting when I reject "karma".

Only a simpleton would reject the idea that actions have reactions that are relevant to those actions and if I didnt make it clear enough that it is the OP's concept that I'm rejecting and not the simple meaning of the word I guess that's on me. I hope that clarifies things for you.

 

[syo]

What are your thoughts?

Not good.

 

[soulsurvivor]

Not good.

OK, then. Best to keep them to yourself. Happy birthday!

 

[syo]

OK, then. Best to keep them to yourself. Happy birthday!

Thanks!

 

[Aupmanyav]

Being a Hindu I think of this as Karma caused by the local government actions rather than the 'Mandate of Heaven'.
What are your thoughts?

It could also be because of actions of a previous government (and people). One reason we have floods and land slides is that the previous governments allowed deforestation. Karma lingers even after the doers are gone.

 

[Audie]

We have English words for action/reaction cause/effect that dont involve woo thank you very much.

This is from the opening paragraphs of your link;
'the principle of karma, wherein intent and actions of an individual (cause) influence the future of that individual (effect):[2] Good intent and good deeds contribute to good karma and happier rebirths, while bad intent and bad deeds contribute to bad karma and bad rebirths.'

So much for duration and reincarnation being irrelevant ay.

Not so in my view, read your own link

It precisely explains the Indian concept of karma, that the concept is indeed silly is no fault of mine in my view

Woo woo is so silly.
And tiresome.

 

[1213]

Karma is action. Good or bad, the consequences of that action are not only dependent on the action, but the intent behind the action.

I don't know why you're so intent on assigning blame...to judge one's actions. Karma is about action and consequence...causality. It's not about finding fault in actions. It's not about judgment of others.

I don't need to blame, I just understand the karma so that is is basically the same as judgment and blaming. Blame and judgment are basically the same as consequence and causality. If actions or intentions have consequences, the consequences can be blamed on the actions/intentions. If person does them on his own, he can then be blamed of them. I don't understand why you read "blame" so negatively that it seems you want to deny it entirely.

 

[Audie]

I don't need to blame, I just understand the karma so that is is basically the same as judgment and blaming. Blame and judgment are basically the same as consequence and causality. If actions or intentions have consequences, the consequences can be blamed on the actions/intentions. If person does them on his own, he can then be blamed of them. I don't understand why you read "blame" so negatively that it seems you want to deny it entirely.

Explaining vocabulary and usage when you dont
know that "blame" is always negative. As in
responsibility for doing wrong or causing harm.
Droll.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

I expect this year's natural disasters to hit Texas and Florida much worse than California for the rest of the year and going forward.

It’s karma and obviously their willful disregard for science or nature.

 

[Muffled]

I am sure your belief is much stronger than 8000 years of Indian tradition and even longer (maybe 12000 years) of Chinese tradition.

I believe the concept of longevity is a logical fallacy. After all the world believe the earth was flat for a long time.