Killing innocent people is a crime in Islam.

[Astounded]

Do i have to repeat it one hundred times that it was an evil act.

Killing innocents (working in peace),even there were muslims working in the twin towers.

Nothing can justify killing an unarmed person.

i explained it in my thread that retaliation by killing innocents aren't allowed and god gave one example about the children of Israel then we shouldn't do the same,so if one did a crime,should we kill 100 innocent person as a retaliation.

it is by the way a sign of the hour that a person will be killed not knowing why he has been killed.

And how many times do I have to tell you that if it is permitted in the Quran Verse 33 then it is allowable, whether it is evil or not.

Let's look at today's news.....

As to what drove Tamerlan to violence, his younger brother has apparently told investigators it was his hatred of America, and its policies in Afghanistan and Iraq, law enforcement sources said.

Who is making mischief in "the land?" America, correct? Who has to pay? America.

On Monday, the mother of the two brothers, Zubeidat Tsarnaev, told ABC News today from Russia that Tamerlan was always the leader of her two boys, and that after the bombing he called her to say, "Everything is okay, thanks to Allah."

 

[FearGod]

And how many times do I have to tell you that if it is permitted in the Quran Verse 33 then it is allowable, whether it is evil or not.

Let's look at today's news.....

As to what drove Tamerlan to violence, his younger brother has apparently told investigators it was his hatred of America, and its policies in Afghanistan and Iraq, law enforcement sources said.

Who is making mischief in "the land?" America, correct? Who has to pay? America.

On Monday, the mother of the two brothers, Zubeidat Tsarnaev, told ABC News today from Russia that Tamerlan was always the leader of her two boys, and that after the bombing he called her to say, "Everything is okay, thanks to Allah."

So they did it as a retaliation by killing the innocent people and that is an evil act which is against god's law which forbids retaliation by killing the innocents.

O ye who believe! Retaliation is prescribed for you in the matter of the murdered; the freeman for the freeman, and the slave for the slave, and the female for the female. And for him who is forgiven somewhat by his (injured) brother, prosecution according to usage and payment unto him in kindness. This is an alleviation and a mercy from your Lord. He who transgresseth after this will have a painful doom. (2:178)

The verse is clear that judgement to be by justice and not by blind retaliation.

 

[Astounded]

So they did it as a retaliation by killing the innocent people and that is an evil act which is against god's law which forbids retaliation by killing the innocents.

O ye who believe! Retaliation is prescribed for you in the matter of the murdered; the freeman for the freeman, and the slave for the slave, and the female for the female. And for him who is forgiven somewhat by his (injured) brother, prosecution according to usage and payment unto him in kindness. This is an alleviation and a mercy from your Lord. He who transgresseth after this will have a painful doom. (2:178)

The verse is clear that judgement to be by justice and not by blind retaliation.

You don't comprehend what you post...what are the first words???

Retaliation is prescribed for you in the matter of the murdered; the freeman for the freeman, and the slave for the slave, and the female for the female.

Prescribed AKA permitted or allowed....and that's what they're doing .. following the Quran.

 

[FearGod]

You don't comprehend what you post...what are the first words???

Retaliation is prescribed for you in the matter of the murdered; the freeman for the freeman, and the slave for the slave, and the female for the female.

Prescribed AKA permitted or allowed....and that's what they're doing .. following the Quran.

You are speaking out of ignorance here because you don't know the meaning of the verse.

Retaliation is only applied on the one causing the crime,if the one who did it was the slave,then retaliation and punishment will be on the same slave,if the female then for the same female and if the freeman then on the same freeman and not the retaliation against innocent people who didn't do the crime.

The verse is very clear and simple to be comprehended.

 

[Astounded]

You are speaking out of ignorance here because you don't know the meaning of the verse.

Retaliation is only applied on the one causing the crime,if the one who did it was the slave,then retaliation and punishment will be on the same slave,if the female then for the same female and if the freeman then on the same freeman and not the retaliation against innocent people who didn't do the crime.

The verse is very clear and simple to be comprehended.

Nope. That's not what it says.

If a freeman is murdered, then you can retaliate against a freeman. If a slave is murdered, then you can retaliate against a slave, not a freeman...and if a woman is murdered, you can retaliate against a woman, not a freeman or a slave.

 

[FearGod]

Nope. That's not what it says.

If a freeman is murdered, then you can retaliate against a freeman. If a slave is murdered, then you can retaliate against a slave, not a freeman...and if a woman is murdered, you can retaliate against a woman, not a freeman or a slave.

Aha,:areyoucra or trolling.

So if a freeman did a crime then we have to retaliate from any other freeman and if a slave then we have to retaliate from any other slave and so on.
:biglaugh:

 

[gnostic]

i do understand what is human shield is but what i can't understand that you justify killing innocents because of it.

WHAT????!!!!

When did I ever justify that killing innocents?

You are either misreading my replies, or you're don't understand English as well as you think.

I have been saying ALL ALONG that people using human shield is wrong, not just morally but criminally too. If you had understood my posts, then you would realize that I am against killing of innocents, or even arranging for civilians to become a target, eg human shield.

A lot of human shield have been used by Muslims lately, taking them as hostages or hiding among densely populated area while they attacking others, but when the other side retaliate, a lot of innocents are killed because these stupid and cowardly soldiers (if government-sanctioned, like Saddam Hussein) or terrorists (the Hamas) used human shield. They make civilians "target".

I don't condone the use of human shield at all, because of the carnage it would cause.

But it would seemed that SOME Muslims like using human shield, because it would get the publicity they wanted for their propaganda.

And the things that some Muslims don't know that using human shield is wrong. And the question is why Islam have no law to prevent the use of human shield.

Man! You really should learn to read and understand what I am saying before you rant about something I didn't say.

And no, you don't understand human shield (because you confused with someone saving someone else life as act of bravery; human shield is not act of bravery, but act of an coward), or else you wouldn't have written a number of stupid things in your replies.

 

[Astounded]

Aha,:areyoucra or trolling.

So if a freeman did a crime then we have to retaliate from any other freeman and if a slave then we have to retaliate from any other slave and so on.
:biglaugh:

Yep, that's what they do. They retaliate against anyone.

"They ad-libbed part of it and made some decisions on a few elements of the bomb making but what's different about this is they took a very simple recipe and then targeted the Boston Marathon," Jones said. "And why the marathon? Because it was there, essentially, and easy. Not long in the planning."

 

[Riverwolf]

Until you understand the definition of human shield, I'm going to ignore your replies. :ignore:

Then how will you ever know?

 

[FearGod]

WHAT????!!!!

You are either misreading my replies, or you're don't understand English as well as you think.

Someone please help me,is it correct to say in English

((You are don't understand English as well as you think))

 

[Riverwolf]

Nope. That's not what it says.

If a freeman is murdered, then you can retaliate against a freeman.

How in the name of Othin's Eye did you get THAT from the verse?!? In context, it's clear that it's saying that if a freeman murders, prosecute him according to the standards of a freeman.

 

[Riverwolf]

Someone please help me,is it correct to say in English

((You are don't understand English as well as you think))

Here you go:

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[FearGod]

Here you go:

[youtube]G2y8Sx4B2Sk[/youtube]

i did understand what is his meant to say.

 

[Riverwolf]

i did understand what is his meant to say.

Well, in any case, just remove the "are" and it's correct.

But as far as I'm concerned, if the ideas were clearly and correctly conveyed, then a bit of bad grammar here and there isn't important.

 

[Astounded]

How in the name of Othin's Eye did you get THAT from the verse?!? In context, it's clear that it's saying that if a freeman murders, prosecute him according to the standards of a freeman.

I "get it" the same way the terrorists do.....and their many actions speak much louder than the Quran's words.

 

[Riverwolf]

I "get it" the same way the terrorists do.....and their many actions speak much louder than the Quran's words.

Well, that's the terrorists' faults for twisting the words of the Qur'an to fit their hateful agendas, and according to that same verse, a painful doom awaits them.

Let the terrorists' actions speak for themselves in terms of them and them alone. Don't judge the innocent Muslims or their beliefs by the actions of the few. I go to a college that has a large percentage of Muslim students, and they are just like everybody else.

I let that speak for itself.

Would you judge me as evil because there are some Asatru who are white-supremacists or by the actions of the Viking raiders a thousand years ago, even though I do not approve of either group?

 

[Astounded]

Well, that's the terrorists' faults for twisting the words of the Qur'an to fit their hateful agendas, and according to that same verse, a painful doom awaits them.

Let the terrorists' actions speak for themselves in terms of them and them alone. Don't judge the innocent Muslims or their beliefs by the actions of the few. I go to a college that has a large percentage of Muslim students, and they are just like everybody else.

I let that speak for itself.

Would you judge me as evil because there are some Asatru who are white-supremacists or by the actions of the Viking raiders a thousand years ago, even though I do not approve of either group?

Then the 'words' need to be revised so that they are much clearer and then I wouldn't have had to see the videos on the news of innocent Muslims around the world jumping up and down for joy when the Twin Towers collapsed.

BTW, I'm not judging anyone as evil, just the text contained in their book that permits evil and causes evil to occur.

 

[FearGod]

Well, that's the terrorists' faults for twisting the words of the Qur'an to fit their hateful agendas, and according to that same verse, a painful doom awaits them.

Let the terrorists' actions speak for themselves in terms of them and them alone. Don't judge the innocent Muslims or their beliefs by the actions of the few. I go to a college that has a large percentage of Muslim students, and they are just like everybody else.

I let that speak for itself.

Would you judge me as evil because there are some Asatru who are white-supremacists or by the actions of the Viking raiders a thousand years ago, even though I do not approve of either group?

Nice post,when i was student in college,my gf was christian and i was an atheist.

One example is an egyptian muslim prof Mostafa El-Sayed
Mostafa El-Sayed - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The problem isn't in muslims or religion but in few individuals which i can't understand what they want from doing such criminal act against civilians.

 

[Riverwolf]

Then the 'words' need to be revised so that they are much clearer and then I wouldn't have had to see the videos on the news of innocent Muslims around the world jumping up and down for joy when the Twin Towers collapsed.

Can't blame them, or their religion for that, anymore than you can blame the American constitution for the Americans who similarly might have jumped for joy when Baghdad was bombed (after all, it's apparently okay when we do it.)

BTW, I'm not judging anyone as evil, just the text contained in their book that permits evil and causes evil to occur.

Except that it doesn't. The cited verse itself condemns those terrorists to "painful doom", as I explained.

 

[FearGod]

Then the 'words' need to be revised so that they are much clearer and then I wouldn't have had to see the videos on the news of innocent Muslims around the world jumping up and down for joy when the Twin Towers collapsed.

BTW, I'm not judging anyone as evil, just the text contained in their book that permits evil and causes evil to occur.

Muslims were happy,camera on 5 persons or 10 dancing,are those the muslim community.
Show me one video showing huge crowd of muslims celebrating the attack.

Watch this video

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The Five Dancing Israelis - 9/11/2001 - Our Purpose Was To Document The Event - YouTube