Killing innocent people is a crime in Islam.

[FearGod]

Drinking is forbidden in Islam. BTW, it's spelled "taquilla."

i am a muslim and didn't know what is taquia,i just googled it to find it means that muslim can be with the opinion of the disbeliever (me in this case) if are afraid from the disbelievers (him in this case)

 

[Riverwolf]

i am a muslim and didn't know what is taquia,i just googled it to find it means that muslim can be with the opinion of the disbeliever (me in this case) if are afraid from the disbelievers (him in this case)

That's different than the one I got, which seemed to be an instance of a Muslim legally denying their faith in order to get away with otherwise blasphemous acts... or something. It didn't make much sense.

 

[gnostic]

You are saying here muslims causing the death of muslims by using them as human sheilds.

Do you mean that it has also something with the understanding of the quran,just i can't understand what it has to do with this thread.

Neither Allah nor Islam will stop or deter some Muslims from killing the innocents by their own hands or by arranging the innocents killed by others, such as using human shield.

Muslims who do use human shield should be just as guilty as those who don't.

Neither Islam nor the Qur'an considered that Muslims might use human shield, because I don't think your god ever consider such possibility of it happening, 1400 years later. A loophole has been found where innocents are killed in such manner as the human shield.

Shouldn't Allah known this would happen, and taken measures (like a law in the Qur'an) to prevent such occurrences from happening?

 

[Aamer]

Ah. So, in addition to having nothing to do with the bases, the US military wasn't fighting Muslims because of their faith or driving them out of their homes.

Therefore, again, the 9/11 attacks were in violation.

Of course the 9/11 attacks were not justified by Quran. Bin Laden and Al Qaeda follow Wahhabism. An illogical, intolerant, violent religion in which scholars make up their own laws via fatwas as they wish. They are an ignorant people who are also in control of Chechnya. None of this has anything to do with Islam. Wahhabis don't even follow Quran. They claim to but rely 99% on man made laws to justify their "Kill everybody" mentality. They don't value human life and lack in intelligence and ability to reason. They're the scum of the Earth. I wish they would stop using the label "Islam". And all this stems from Saudi Arabia.

 

[Riverwolf]

Of course the 9/11 attacks were not justified by Quran. Bin Laden and Al Qaeda follow Wahhabism. An illogical, intolerant, violent religion in which scholars make up their own laws via fatwas as they wish. They are an ignorant people who are also in control of Chechnya. None of this has anything to do with Islam. Wahhabis don't even follow Quran. They claim to but rely 99% on man made laws to justify their "Kill everybody" mentality. They don't value human life and lack in intelligence and ability to reason. They're the scum of the Earth. I wish they would stop using the label "Islam". And all this stems from Saudi Arabia.

So they are to Islam what the Westboro Baptist Church are to Christians, or what Aesir-worshiping white-supremacists are to Asatru.

 

[Aamer]

Taqiyya

Another man made law as far as I can see. Show me which verse in Quran allows for Taqiyya.

 

[Aamer]

So they are to Islam what the Westboro Baptist Church are to Christians, or what Aesir-worshiping white-supremacists are to Asatru.

Yes except they have a ***** ton of oil money and are spreading their hate based religion by printing the majority of "Islamic" literature and sending to every corner of the Earth and they're funding mosques and schools all over the world to promote their ideologies. Oh and they have the United States government on their side. USA and Saudi Arabia are in bed together. Its all a big joke. There are no good guys. Only bad guys. Quran has been forgotten.

 

[Riverwolf]

Yes except they have a ***** ton of oil money and are spreading their hate based religion by printing the majority of "Islamic" literature and sending to every corner of the Earth and they're funding mosques and schools all over the world to promote their ideologies. Oh and they have the United States government on their side. USA and Saudi Arabia are in bed together. Its all a big joke. There are no good guys. Only bad guys. Quran has been forgotten.

Something I know all too well...

 

[Sha'irullah]

Neither Allah nor Islam will stop or deter some Muslims from killing the innocents by their own hands or by arranging the innocents killed by others, such as using human shield.

The issue here is that human nature naturally involves varying degrees of violence. Violence has been used to achieve objectives and establish the fulfillment of ideals and dreams. Despite the fact that violence is mentioned in the Bible there are no significant cases of Christian violence in the last 100 years almost.
Hindus despite their peace loving religion have scriptures which advocate rape, right in the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad. Committing acts of violence is a choice one makes as a human, it is not an obligation.

 

[gnostic]

The issue here is that human nature naturally involves varying degrees of violence. Violence has been used to achieve objectives and establish the fulfillment of ideals and dreams. Despite the fact that violence is mentioned in the Bible there are no significant cases of Christian violence in the last 100 years almost.
Hindus despite their peace loving religion have scriptures which advocate rape, right in the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad. Committing acts of violence is a choice one makes as a human, it is not an obligation.

Sure, innocents have been killed in every periods, in every civilisations and cultures - with or without religions being involved or religion being the motivating factors.

I am not denying that other religions have some sorts of violence portrayed in its religion.

My point is that if Allah was all-knowing as some Muslims believe their god to be, then Allah should have known that it was possible to kill innocents by using them as human shield. These Muslims - those that use human shield as a tactics or strategy in their quests for powers - should be as guilty and accountable as those who kill them. They have deliberately put innocent lives in danger.

Shouldn't the all-knowing and all-powerful Allah know this, and added some verses or clauses to prevent such action taking place? Would your god punish those who use human shield or applaud and reward them for their cunning in using such tactic?

 

[Aamer]

Sure, innocents have been killed in every periods, in every civilisations and cultures - with or without religions being involved or religion being the motivating factors.

I am not denying that other religions have some sorts of violence portrayed in its religion.

My point is that if Allah was all-knowing as some Muslims believe their god to be, then Allah should have known that it was possible to kill innocents by using them as human shield. These Muslims - those that use human shield as a tactics or strategy in their quests for powers - should be as guilty and accountable as those who kill them. They have deliberately put innocent lives in danger.

Shouldn't the all-knowing and all-powerful Allah know this, and added some verses or clauses to prevent such action taking place? Would your god punish those who use human shield or applaud and reward them for their cunning in using such tactic?

Allah is very clear on what is and what isn't permissible. Now if people choose to make up their own laws, it's on them and they will be held accountable for their own actions. Humans have free will and life is a test. If you want to blame religion then first decide which religion it is you are talking about. Islamic law begins and ends with Quran as far as I'm concerned.

[16:116] You shall not invent lies about God by attributing lies with your tongues, saying: "This is lawful and that is forbidden." Those who invent lies about God will not succeed.

 

[Sha'irullah]

My point is that if Allah was all-knowing as some Muslims believe their god to be, then Allah should have known that it was possible to kill innocents by using them as human shield. These Muslims - those that use human shield as a tactics or strategy in their quests for powers - should be as guilty and accountable as those who kill them. They have deliberately put innocent lives in danger.

Shouldn't the all-knowing and all-powerful Allah know this, and added some verses or clauses to prevent such action taking place? Would your god punish those who use human shield or applaud and reward them for their cunning in using such tactic?

Take notice of the verses of the Qur'an and there revelation. According to narration some ayah were revealed in times of upheaval or chaos. Each and every surah and verse is specifically recited for a purpose. When these surah did not fulfill all the answers hadith became created and these ahadith control every aspect of a Muslim's life. The Islamic system is designed to provide answers to everything in an islamic manner so no Muslim can secede from the religion or obtain a different viewpoint from orthodox Muslims.
Islam has madhhabs and each of these madhhabs has an orthodoxy and like any other institution or association, the general opinion always rules over the lesser. It does not differ if the lesser opinion is more ethical and right or the greater opinion is more evil and demented. The majority always wins and everything in Islam is controlled by general consensus and popular opinion.

 

[FearGod]

Neither Allah nor Islam will stop or deter some Muslims from killing the innocents by their own hands or by arranging the innocents killed by others, such as using human shield.

Muslims who do use human shield should be just as guilty as those who don't.

Neither Islam nor the Qur'an considered that Muslims might use human shield, because I don't think your god ever consider such possibility of it happening, 1400 years later. A loophole has been found where innocents are killed in such manner as the human shield.

Shouldn't Allah known this would happen, and taken measures (like a law in the Qur'an) to prevent such occurrences from happening?

Do you mean that if a soldier came to my house for protection then i should murder him myself to protect my family,no of course i won't.

My decision is to accept him in regardless of the result.

i'm just wondering what your point of bringing it to this thread.

 

[Aamer]

Take notice of the verses of the Qur'an and there revelation. According to narration some ayah were revealed in times of upheaval or chaos. Each and every surah and verse is specifically recited for a purpose. When these surah did not fulfill all the answers hadith became created and these ahadith control every aspect of a Muslim's life. The Islamic system is designed to provide answers to everything in an islamic manner so no Muslim can secede from the religion or obtain a different viewpoint from orthodox Muslims.
Islam has madhhabs and each of these madhhabs has an orthodoxy and like any other institution or association, the general opinion always rules over the lesser. It does not differ if the lesser opinion is more ethical and right or the greater opinion is more evil and demented. The majority always wins and everything in Islam is controlled by general consensus and popular opinion.

With all due respect, you're talking about the Sunni sect, not Islam. Sunni sect has 4 madhabs. Islam has ONE Quran. Sunni and Shia Muslims created Hadith when Gods laws weren't good enough anymore (250 years after Prophet Muhammad died). That's where things went downhill and God will never let you succeed until you drop your man made laws...

[16:116] You shall not invent lies about God by attributing lies with your tongues, saying: "This is lawful and that is forbidden." Those who invent lies about God will not succeed.

[7:185] Do they not look at the dominion of heavens and earth, and all that God has created, and perhaps their time is drawing near? In which hadith after this one will they acknowledge?

[6:114] "Shall I seek other than God as a judge when He has sent down to you this book FULLY DETAILED?" Those to whom We have given the book know it is sent down from your Lord with truth; so do not be of those who have doubt.

 

[gnostic]

Do you mean that if a soldier came to my house for protection then i should murder him myself to protect my family,no of course i won't.

My decision is to accept him in regardless of the result.

i'm just wondering what your point of bringing it to this thread.

Obviously you don't understand what "human shield" mean.

Human shield is often used by criminals holding people hostages as human shield, so any shoot out between them and the police could injury and death on the hostages.

I'm not going to bother with explain to you what it mean, since whenever I tried to explain something to you, you would argue with me or don't believe me because you think I have an agenda. So I'm tired of explaining, so look it up.

The Hamas and Hezbollah fighters are not good people. Instead of defending the people they are supposed to protect, they fire in densely populated areas, to ensure that retaliation will cause civilians. Such casualties are good for these terrorists.

I have nothing but disgust and contempt for people who used human shield, whether these people be criminals, terrorists, soldiers or political leaders. They get people killed.

 

[FearGod]

Obviously you don't understand what "human shield" mean.

Human shield is often used by criminals holding people hostages as human shield, so any shoot out between them and the police could injury and death on the hostages.

I'm not going to bother with explain to you what it mean, since whenever I tried to explain something to you, you would argue with me or don't believe me because you think I have an agenda. So I'm tired of explaining, so look it up.

The Hamas and Hezbollah fighters are not good people. Instead of defending the people they are supposed to protect, they fire in densely populated areas, to ensure that retaliation will cause civilians. Such casualties are good for these terrorists.

I have nothing but disgust and contempt for people who used human shield, whether these people be criminals, terrorists, soldiers or political leaders. They get people killed.

Do you mean like our beloved hero Rachel Corrie that used her body as a sheild to protect palestinians and murdered by Israel.

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With love and respect to Rachel Corrie (Real American hero-killed by the Israeli army in Palestine) - YouTube


i don't care about your propaganda as much as i care about humanity.

Killing innocents isn't justified for whatever reason.

 

[gnostic]

Do you mean like our beloved hero Rachel Corrie that used her body as a sheild to protect palestinians and murdered by Israel.

You see.

You don't understand what I mean by human shield.

You should have decency to look up what Human Shield really mean, before you had ignorantly posted your replies.

I am not talking about someone trying to save another by shielding someone to save them; human shield is not about self-sacrifice.

People (like dictators, soldiers, terrorists and criminals) who used human shield, don't care about others' lives but their own, they are using human shield to protect themselves, not the innocents. It not about the heroics of victims or hostages. Dictators and oppressive regimes used human shield, not only to protect themselves, but using innocents as pawns for their propaganda. These people who use human shield are nothing more than cowards.

If someone were trying to shoot you, but I jump in to save you, then I sacrificing myself to save you; that would be heroic. But if I am using you as a shield forcibly, so you take the bullet instead of me, then I am not doing out of nobility or bravery. Do you understand the difference, now?

But since I don't you can understand the difference between self-sacrifice and human shield, then you can't possibly understand the distinction then I will retract all my other comments about human shield, because I can't be bother arguing further with someone who are so ignorant and don't even know what the words mean before they discuss or debate on issues.

Ignorance must be bliss. :cover:

 

[FearGod]

You see.

You don't understand what I mean by human shield.

You should have decency to look up what Human Shield really mean, before you had ignorantly posted your replies.

I am not talking about someone trying to save another by shielding someone to save them; human shield is not about self-sacrifice.

People (like dictators, soldiers, terrorists and criminals) who used human shield, don't care about others' lives but their own, they are using human shield to protect themselves, not the innocents. It not about the heroics of victims or hostages. Dictators and oppressive regimes used human shield, not only to protect themselves, but using innocents as pawns for their propaganda.

Since you can't possibly understand the distinction about self-sacrifice and human shield, then I will retract all my other comments about human shield, because I can't be bother with arguing someone who are so ignorant and don't even know what the words mean before they discuss or debate on issues.

Ignorance must be bliss. :cover:

Human shield.

do i have to move now to the children of Israel.
You are forcing me to be off-topic,so please if you want to discuss Israel & palestine,then open a new thread .

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israel crimes in Palestine... - YouTube

 

[gnostic]

Human shield.

do i have to move now to the children of Israel.
You are forcing me to be off-topic,so please if you want to discuss Israel & palestine,then open a new thread .

Until you understand the definition of human shield, I'm going to ignore your replies. :ignore:

And beside, I've already explain why people who use human shield are terrible people, and why ask there is no law against using human shield. Apparently you're not understanding my post. Ignorance heap on top of more ignorance.

 

[FearGod]

Until you understand the definition of human shield, I'm going to ignore your replies. :ignore:

And beside, I've already explain why people who use human shield are terrible people, and why ask there is no law against using human shield. Apparently you're not understanding my post. Ignorance heap on top of more ignorance.

i do understand what is human shield is but what i can't understand that you justify killing innocents because of it.

its like saying if there is a gang in one building which hold people inside as hostages and using them as human shields then it is justified to kill all people inside to catch the gang.

if your son,daughter,brother,father,mother was inside such building then you may think and i am in doubt that you'll even do.