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Kirran's Religion-less-ness

Kirran

Premium Member
So it seems some speculations and misunderstandings have been going around a little regarding my disaffiliation with Hinduism. So, clarification.

Basically, I just don't see the need for holding some religious identity, which means I don't fulfull RF's criteria for DIR membership. I'm not a Hindu, cos I don't see what it would mean to identify myself as such anymore or how it would be of any help to anybody. Any identities are ultimately unhelpful in spirituality, I think, although one may still operate using them as labels. Or not, as in my case.

Doesn't change anything practically, in terms of my approach to life, in terms of my spirituality, etc. It's just a natural result of my (hopefully!) ongoing maturation in spirituality to shed a group identity like 'Hindu'.

Diolch am darllen
 
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wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Any identities are ultimately unhelpful in spirituality, I think
Did the same myself since being on here, originally my own site had categories for each religion thinking we could build unity, and then realize on here it doesn't, it makes each group divided in their own discussions.

Thus 'Finding One True Faith' became 'Oneness - True Faith'; thinking it was free of labels, as all religions contain Oneness...

Though on discussing Oneness people still have widely different concepts of its meaning, and some completely the opposite to my own comprehension.

Though I know it is what i shouted in my NDE from the basement, and 'Oneness' is the name of Heaven so I'm happy; though to get anyone to fully comprehend its deeper meanings, they need to experience it. :innocent:
 

Jedster

Flying through space
So it seems some speculations and misunderstandings have been going around a little regarding my disaffiliation with Hinduism. So, clarification.

Basically, I just don't see the need for holding some religious identity, which means I don't fulfull RF's criteria for DIR membership. I'm not a Hindu, cos I don't see what it would mean to identify myself as such anymore or how it would be of any help to anybody. Any identities are ultimately unhelpful in spirituality, I think, although one may still operate using them as labels. Or not, as in my case.

Doesn't change anything practically, in terms of my approach to life, in terms of my spirituality, etc. It's just a natural result of my (hopefully!) ongoing maturation in spirituality to shed a group identity like 'Hindu'.

Diolch am darllen
Can completely relate.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
So it seems some speculations and misunderstandings have been going around a little regarding my disaffiliation with Hinduism. So, clarification.

Basically, I just don't see the need for holding some religious identity, which means I don't fulfull RF's criteria for DIR membership. I'm not a Hindu, cos I don't see what it would mean to identify myself as such anymore or how it would be of any help to anybody. Any identities are ultimately unhelpful in spirituality, I think, although one may still operate using them as labels. Or not, as in my case.

Doesn't change anything practically, in terms of my approach to life, in terms of my spirituality, etc. It's just a natural result of my (hopefully!) ongoing maturation in spirituality to shed a group identity like 'Hindu'.

Diolch am darllen

So sad to see you've gone to the dark side. lol.
 

ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
Your stance makes a lot of sense. The downside is, there is a bit of a misunderstanding around the term "Hindu" which really is a modern term initially more of a description of a geographical location around the Indus river and was not so much a label for one religion in India but a "Western" term to mean those who follow laws, ceremonies and social stratification as well as religions found in India and not Persia or Europe for example. In fact early on, some early European authors/historians included Jains and Buddhists as being Hindus - which actually is sort of correct.

Later in more modern times the term came to be associated with those who attend temples of various "Sanskrit Gods" and local village Gods inclusive of local nature Gods in different regions/villages of India such as trees and rocks, just a convenient way to group the hugely diverse Dharmic based communities across India into one "bucket" not so much to confuse things but to in one sense UN-confuse or better said UN-complicate things to Western and other non-India audiences/readers, it would be too complicated to start discussing Bal religion here, Jain there, Krishna bhakta over there, Mother Goddess that way, Dharmic philosophical in this region, atheist version over here, old Vedic way up there, Shaiva here, Surya there, Saurya down there - not that authors would also document and discuss all these diverse aspects and more including social hierarchy et all, but those were in the more "University level" type "books" so the use of Hindu was a convenient "high school" level term.

Next what happened is, "Hinduism" began to spread to areas such as Europe and America, though the Buddhists had a head start of about 100 years over the "Hindus". By then Hindu became an umbrella term even accepted by many in India to mean "various sects and philosophies and traditions and Dharmic religions found in India"...

Hinduism has seen a notable spread now to areas outside of India. Personally I do not have any issue with calling myself a Hindu. Especially since I am a "Village Hindu" in large part and go to many different temples - including Jain and Buddhist, Sikh by the way but basically I am a Saiva but that also has subsects and "titles" and Sampradayas and on and on.

But if you don't want to call yourself a Hindu, I don't care. What I like is to have Hindu adventures and experience Hinduism which is really fun and self-rewarding to no end not to mention some great "vacatiions" to India and other Dharmic regions, even to local temples across America and Canada et all.

In fact, that is where terms such as Hindu come in handy. Let us say I am in Warsaw Poland. Well I can find an English directory and look up "Hindu" temples. I will find ashrams that worshp no Gods but do yoga, or an ISKCON temple, or it might be a South Indian Murugan temple, or a North Indian Durga temple, or even a Kali temple run by "white people" from mostly from Russia but some Poles and two ladies from the Netherlands and a Guru from Santa Monica California.

How convenient!

Nor do I have an issue with your need to clarify and announce your stance. To be honest, I don't read too many of your posts but see your announcement as useful. Thanks!
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
You reckon it's imbibed colonialism?

This is the name of your new religion? Imbibed Colonialism, and you are the self-appointed avatar, master, Guru, leader, HHH, Sri la Sri, concoctor, connector of all things? I like it. Souns downright authoritative.

Let me be your first devotee.

Please.

Regards.
 

Kirran

Premium Member
Your stance makes a lot of sense. The downside is, there is a bit of a misunderstanding around the term "Hindu" which really is a modern term initially more of a description of a geographical location around the Indus river and was not so much a label for one religion in India but a "Western" term to mean those who follow laws, ceremonies and social stratification as well as religions found in India and not Persia or Europe for example. In fact early on, some early European authors/historians included Jains and Buddhists as being Hindus - which actually is sort of correct.

Later in more modern times the term came to be associated with those who attend temples of various "Sanskrit Gods" and local village Gods inclusive of local nature Gods in different regions/villages of India such as trees and rocks, just a convenient way to group the hugely diverse Dharmic based communities across India into one "bucket" not so much to confuse things but to in one sense UN-confuse or better said UN-complicate things to Western and other non-India audiences/readers, it would be too complicated to start discussing Bal religion here, Jain there, Krishna bhakta over there, Mother Goddess that way, Dharmic philosophical in this region, atheist version over here, old Vedic way up there, Shaiva here, Surya there, Saurya down there - not that authors would also document and discuss all these diverse aspects and more including social hierarchy et all, but those were in the more "University level" type "books" so the use of Hindu was a convenient "high school" level term.

Next what happened is, "Hinduism" began to spread to areas such as Europe and America, though the Buddhists had a head start of about 100 years over the "Hindus". By then Hindu became an umbrella term even accepted by many in India to mean "various sects and philosophies and traditions and Dharmic religions found in India"...

Hinduism has seen a notable spread now to areas outside of India. Personally I do not have any issue with calling myself a Hindu. Especially since I am a "Village Hindu" in large part and go to many different temples - including Jain and Buddhist, Sikh by the way but basically I am a Saiva but that also has subsects and "titles" and Sampradayas and on and on.

But if you don't want to call yourself a Hindu, I don't care. What I like is to have Hindu adventures and experience Hinduism which is really fun and self-rewarding to no end not to mention some great "vacatiions" to India and other Dharmic regions, even to local temples across America and Canada et all.

In fact, that is where terms such as Hindu come in handy. Let us say I am in Warsaw Poland. Well I can find an English directory and look up "Hindu" temples. I will find ashrams that worshp no Gods but do yoga, or an ISKCON temple, or it might be a South Indian Murugan temple, or a North Indian Durga temple, or even a Kali temple run by "white people" from mostly from Russia but some Poles and two ladies from the Netherlands and a Guru from Santa Monica California.

How convenient!

Nor do I have an issue with your need to clarify and announce your stance. To be honest, I don't read too many of your posts but see your announcement as useful. Thanks!

That makes sense, thanks for sharing your views SF :) You know, when the term was first used by the Mughals it basically meant "non-Muslim Indian" - so even Indian Christians were thought of as Hindus! It's such a catch-all, which is totally cool, but like it doesn't strike me as something to identify with, especially given how the ashram I spend a lot of my time at isn't like explicitly Hindu, although most of the pilgrims are.

This is the name of your new religion? Imbibed Colonialism, and you are the self-appointed avatar, master, Guru, leader, HHH, Sri la Sri, concoctor, connector of all things? I like it. Souns downright authoritative.

Let me be your first devotee.

Please.

Regards.

I have no idea what just happened here.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
You might find that people who like labels, will try to push labels onto you in someway; sort of found it like their ego's need for compartmentalization. ;)
 

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
So it seems some speculations and misunderstandings have been going around a little regarding my disaffiliation with Hinduism. So, clarification.

Basically, I just don't see the need for holding some religious identity, which means I don't fulfull RF's criteria for DIR membership. I'm not a Hindu, cos I don't see what it would mean to identify myself as such anymore or how it would be of any help to anybody. Any identities are ultimately unhelpful in spirituality, I think, although one may still operate using them as labels. Or not, as in my case.

Doesn't change anything practically, in terms of my approach to life, in terms of my spirituality, etc. It's just a natural result of my (hopefully!) ongoing maturation in spirituality to shed a group identity like 'Hindu'.

Diolch am darllen
Pity. Your voice would be nice to have in the Hindu DIR forum.
What is your worldview, basically, and how do you actualize or practice it.
 

Kirran

Premium Member
Pity. Your voice would be nice to have in the Hindu DIR forum.
What is your worldview, basically, and how do you actualize or practice it.

Hard to say. I can come in Dharmic DIR still. What is my worldview? :O Would you be able to answer that one easily?

Ekam sat, something like that.

Actualising is basically just living my life, letting my consciousness get raised, takes time. Hard to put it into words easily. I do various practices which augment that. Feel free to ask me more about that, but maybe PM would be more appropriate.
 
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