Speaking of Auschwitz...it was built by the IG Farben.
Who owned the IG Farben?
People living in America did.
Even if they were of German origin.
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Kissinger. Who he was.
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Who owned the IG Farben?
People living in America did.
Even if they were of German origin.
I am not saying the US Government was against Stalin.
I said some élites in America were and probably even funded Hitler.
I don't like the 'elites' language because I think it trivializes the German government and public agency.
It was pretty open that American industrialists loved Hitler - look at Ford.
Not even to mention IBM
IBM and the Holocaust - Wikipedia
Considering that at that time the number of Americans of German descent was far higher than those of British descent.I don't like the 'elites' language because I think it trivializes the German government and public agency.
It was pretty open that American industrialists loved Hitler - look at Ford.
Not even to mention IBM
IBM and the Holocaust - Wikipedia
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On 24 April 1945, just days before the U.S. troops arrived at the camp, the commandant and a strong guard forced between 6,000 and 7,000 surviving inmates on a death march from Dachau south to Eurasburg, then eastwards towards the Tegernsee; liberated two days after Hitler's death by a Nisei-ethnicity U.S. Army artillery battalion.
Auschwitz concentration camp ( ( ); also or ) was a complex of over 40 concentration and extermination camps operated by Nazi Germany in occupied Poland (in a portion annexed into Germany in 1939) during World War II and the Holocaust. It consisted of Auschwitz I, the main camp ( Stammlager ) in Oświęcim; Auschwitz II-Birkenau, a concentration and extermination camp with gas chambers; Auschwitz III-Monowitz, a labor camp for the chemical conglomerate IG Farben; and dozens of subcamps.
On 27 January 1945, Auschwitz concentration camp—a Nazi concentration camp and extermination camp in occupied Poland where more than a million people were murdered as part of the Nazis' "Final Solution" to the Jewish question—was liberated by the Soviet Red Army during the Vistula–Oder Offensive. Although most of the prisoners had been forced onto a death march, about 7,000 had been left behind. T... Wikipedia
Auschwitz concentration camp ( ( ); also or ) was a complex of over 40 concentration and extermination camps operated by Nazi Germany in occupied Poland (in a portion annexed into Germany in 1939) during World War II and the Holocaust. It consisted of Auschwitz I, the main camp ( Stammlager ) in Oświęcim; Auschwitz II-Birkenau, a concentration and extermination camp with gas chambers; Auschwitz III-Monowitz, a labor camp for the chemical conglomerate IG Farben; and dozens of subcamps.
On 27 January 1945, Auschwitz concentration camp—a Nazi concentration camp and extermination camp in occupied Poland where more than a million people were murdered as part of the Nazis' "Final Solution" to the Jewish question—was liberated by the Soviet Red Army during the Vistula–Oder Offensive. Although most of the prisoners had been forced onto a death march, about 7,000 had been left behind. T... Wikipedia
This horrifying death machine could have never been created in such a short period of time.
I am 100% sure it was planned at least 20 years in advance.
And my country has never known anything about this. My compatriots have never known anything.
During Fascist period, no Jew was arrested or deported. It was when Rome was occupied by the Nazis in October 1943, that the Jews were deported.
The Americans didn't succeed in taking Rome before the Nazis did. They would have saved thousands of Jews.
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Another international war criminal who got away because he was part of US government.This thread is dedicated to Kissinger.
Do tell what you feel like saying about him.
His legacy, his deeds, his policy.
This is a debate, so we can respectfully debate about this controversial figure.
My religion speaks of Godly Justice, and nobody gets away with anything in the afterlife.
I do not consider the idea of justice provided by Christianity to be very sound. But I do not want to debate theology here. Let's just agree that Kissinger got away from human made systems of justice primarily for being an insider govt. person of a very powerful nation.My religion speaks of Godly Justice, and nobody gets away with anything in the afterlife.
I understand.
I guess despite our different religious beliefs, we agree on the fact that Death comes to us all. To the wicked and the just.
And it's good.
Utterly disgusting.
No country was spared by this thing.
No country was spared by this thing.
WW2 has been viewed by many as a continuation of WW1. Prior to that Britain and France controlled most of the world, while Germany was an upstart who wanted to get in on the action. They wanted some French colonies (for example, their attempt to grab Morocco in 1905), and they wanted to build a navy as large as the British - which obviously made the British nervous. Three old enemies - Britain, France, and Russia - became unlikely allies, all because of a shared fear of Germany. Americans didn't share that fear, since we were so far away, and we also had large numbers of German-Americans.
I recall reading that, after the war, American servicemen visited Germany and were shocked to find that it was a clean, orderly country with decent, friendly people - far different from the propaganda they had been hearing about the awful "Huns." This led to the belief that Americans had been hoodwinked and conned into going to war against Germany, contributing to the isolationist sentiment which would manifest itself in the years leading up to WW2.
I firmly believe that if Britain and France had been willing to behave honorably, the Bolsheviks never would have gained power in Russia, and the Nazis never would have gained power in Germany.
The entire world could have been saved if only the leaders of Britain and France had been willing to agree to a simple phrase in 1917: "Peace without annexations or indemnities."
But they were too stubborn and greedy to do that, and the irony of it all is that it caused them to ultimately lose the empires they were so desperate to protect and keep. They ended up having to play second fiddle to the United States, something they've been bristling against ever since.
Europe before WW1 was a Europe dominated by Germany and Austria. And Russia, of course. Three big empires and all the Slavic nations without identity. The Poles and the Czech without a state.
The Bolsheviks were nihilists and anti-Christian. Lenin and Trotsky were not Christians, indeed. Kerensky was a moderate Prime Minister that respected the tsar and protected him, even if he had lost the throne.
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It was the Soviets who arrived in Berlin much before the Americans did.
It was the Soviets who made Hitler commit suicide and surrender.
I have always wondered: were the Americans fighting against us, or against the Soviets in WW2?
I mean...we welcomed them and signed the armistice immediately.
Sometimes I think Hitler was maneuvered by some shady élites overseas to fight against the Soviets on America's behalf.
At first, I think most Americans wanted to stay out of WW2. After the fall of France in 1940, it appeared that balance of power was shifting more lopsidedly in favor of Germany - and that did start to worry more Americans.
Up until that point, the only countries with strong enough navies and projection power to threaten the United States were Britain and France, but we established good relations and trade ties with those countries. If Germany had displaced them to become the new hegemonic power in Europe, then that was an unknown risk that worried many Americans. But the greater worry at the time was Japan and growing concerns about their forays on the Asian mainland and potential threat to U.S. possessions and other Western interests in the region.
Communism was viewed more as an ideological and internal security threat, as neither the USSR nor the Communist Chinese (who were still locked in civil war with the Nationalist Chinese) had the military wherewithal to threaten the U.S. It wasn't until they started to become more powerful militarily that the U.S. made them a higher priority.
The U.S. was in the most favorable position after WW2, as our industries and infrastructure were virtually untouched and our military losses were much less than what other countries faced. Europe was devastated and on her knees. Japan was crushed and starving. China was still in turmoil and in the grips of civil war. Russia was victorious, but facing severe manpower shortages - and it would take years to rebuild and recover. It was also clear that it was the beginning of the end for the British and French colonial empires. But the U.S. remained a strong, viable military and industrial powerhouse.
However, despite being in a strong position like that, one of the weakest links and least competent part of the U.S. government was the State Department. Ambassadorships were typically handed out as political rewards for major donors or friends. One thing I recall was that, when the Tehran Conference took place in 1943, nobody in the State Department knew anything about Iran. The U.S. had to rely upon the British and the Russians for information and guidance because our people knew nothing. (I guess we learned quickly, since 10 years later, we helped install the Shah in power.)
Another funny example was when an American delegation wanted to meet with Mao and his leaders, in order to gain their cooperation with the Nationalist Chinese against Japan. One of the Americans who was in the delegation was a bit of boorish clod who kept calling Mao, "Mousie Dung." These were the kinds of people who were involved in the diplomatic structure, and who made decisions and passed on information which was used to formulate the US government's perceptions about the world around them.
As a result, U.S. foreign policy has been not unlike the Three Stooges cluelessly stumbling and bumbling around from one hornets' nest to the next. All these things just kept happening and we didn't know why or what to do about it. Korea, Vietnam, Iran, Iraq, etc. All these crises and wars just kept "breaking out" like random brush fires without any rhyme or reason. Or they might attribute it to Satan, Sith Lords, Evil Empires, Axes of Evil - turning US policy into some kind of melodramatic comic book plot.
Even in Italy Bolshevism and Leninism were seen as a threat. For instance, that's why the king of Italy and the aristocrats gave the power to Mussolini, a former socialist. Because they knew he would prevent a Bolshevik revolution from taking place in Italy, thanks to his fascist squads who were staunch anti-Communists.
They committed suicide by doing so: because Mussolini expropriated the lands from the same aristocrats and landowners that had favored his rise to power.
War is self-destructive. Italians worshipped Mussolini like a deity because he had promised world peace, and because he had chosen Britain as ally. Many Jews were staunch Fascists: the most influential woman in Mussolini's life was Margherita Sarfatti, a Jewish intellectual of very good family.
It all changed with the rise of Nazism. Nazism corrupted Fascists and made Mussolini more and more irrelevant. The War of Ethiopia.,...the racial laws...it was a path to self-destruction. And Italians felt betrayed when Mussolini entered the war.
All Italians felt betrayed, including the crown.
Germany had built up its industries and had a martial, disciplined philosophy which made them a force to be reckoned with. Austria-Hungary was also building up industries and an adequate army - but my understanding is that there were language barriers within the multinational empire. And the marriage between Austria and Hungary wasn't exactly made in Heaven.
The Russians, of course, had strong sympathies with the smaller Orthodox states in the Balkans, which had been ruled by the Ottoman Empire for centuries. Russia and Turkey had an enmity which lasted centuries.
1917 was a pivotal year, although the problem for Kerensky is that he was trying to be a moderate and keep both left and right happy, while still keeping Russia in the war on the side of the Allies. While they didn't know it at the time, if they could have held on and stayed in the war for another year, they could have been on the winning side and gotten a seat at Versailles as a full partner in the Alliance. That might have changed how the map of Europe was redrawn. But a lot of Russians just wanted out of the war. There was no "Russian Empire" to fight for anymore, and they saw no reason they should continue fighting and shedding blood for the British or French Empires either. They were done.
What the hell? Now it's a WW2 thread?
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
In my poli sci course, I brought in a man in the FBI who also worked in conjunction with the Secret Service, and he was involved with guarding Kissinger when here in the States, and he didn't like him. Very abrupt, unfriendly, etc.
The one he liked the most? Prince [now King] Charles.
The one he liked the most? Prince [now King] Charles.
Interesting.
What about your opinion?
You are an American citizen so you must have an opinion on your own... about this person.
I drink the fifth.