Kowtow to Atheists? Oh, hell to the no!

[Jollybear]

I agree with @Rival ... sorry, sounds quite paranoid. When I was atheist I never desired to kill you nor did I belong to this group you call SGA or ever heard about it.

Why wer you an atheist and what led you out of atheism? Curious.

 

[sun rise]

Out of curiosity, @Egor I searched on Veridicanism and found:

The Two Tenets of Veridicanism:

1. Deus substantia

God is monistic in his nature. That means God is the only substance. God is the only thing that is fully real, and God is the substance of all things. All other things that appear to exist are in fact modalities of his substance.

2. Esse Christus

To be Christ. The human purpose is to become Christ, to be in spirit what Christ was in spirit, complete in the knowledge of our example, the Teacher, the Savior, Jesus Christ.
Veridican Articles of Faith

So how would Jesus have treated atheists based on how he treated other sinners according to that part of the Bible that made it into your belief system?

 

[Shad]

I'm pretty sure everyone who responded to this thread is an SGA secret agent.

I've never been to Atlantis nor used a stargate.

 

[Rival]

I've never been to Atlantis nor used a stargate.

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[Jollybear]

I was invited to join a group that offers Christian support and tolerance to atheists. Here was my response:

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I was invited to this group for some reason. I've read the description and frankly I want to vomit in my mouth.

I've been dealing with atheists for 25 years online (Yes, ever since the newsgroup era). They are not looking to find answers. They want you dead. They are a manifestation of the end times. They are SGA (socialist globalist atheists).

The idea that someone has suffered abuse in the Church and therefore is an atheist is hogwash. I suffered hugely in the Church, and I'm a Veridican (which is heretical to the Church, but in fact an advanced radical Christianity).

No one is that dumb, okay? They all know that whatever abuses there were in the Church that Jesus is nothing like that. Jesus never condemned homosexuality, though it was rampant in Rome (and has always been around 5% of humanity anyway). Jesus never encouraged beating Children, in fact quite the opposite. Jesus told us never to judge and to love our neighbor as ourselves and then gave an example of loving someone completely at odds with what we are (the Samaritan).

They're not dumb. They didn't leave the Church and Christ because of abuse, and they haven't left it for "science and reason" either. There are probably more scientists who are theists than there are atheists, and the greatest minds in history have been theists, and one of the greatest minds, Newton, was particularly radical to the point of occultism.

I'm not here to preach the word to the atheists. I hang out in their groups to strengthen my arguments so that I can support the faith of my brothers and sisters in Christ. And maybe, just maybe, raise a flag in a group where other Christians who have the courage to debate the SGA are present. They will see it, and join with me. Maybe they won't become Veridican, but they might join me in these end-times preparations we better start making now.

Thanks for inviting me to the group.

I understand what your saying to some extent. Every atheist i have ever debated with aventually has ad homed me.

Of course, id like to remain open and believe there are some out there who would not. But so far, my experience has not been that.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Oh, so all the atheists you know are looking for Christian conversion, and are not socialist and globalist? Nonsense.

You're a bigot. Thanks for the heads up.

Not to mention, they're all in the Facebook groups cheering the death of the Christian killed by the natives on that ridiculous island.

Perhaps it's because people like you make it so tempting.

My, what a steaming pile of hateful ignorance you spew.

It's straight out of his Bible.

 

[QuestioningMind]

I was invited to join a group that offers Christian support and tolerance to atheists. Here was my response:

-----

I was invited to this group for some reason. I've read the description and frankly I want to vomit in my mouth.

I've been dealing with atheists for 25 years online (Yes, ever since the newsgroup era). They are not looking to find answers. They want you dead. They are a manifestation of the end times. They are SGA (socialist globalist atheists).

The idea that someone has suffered abuse in the Church and therefore is an atheist is hogwash. I suffered hugely in the Church, and I'm a Veridican (which is heretical to the Church, but in fact an advanced radical Christianity).

No one is that dumb, okay? They all know that whatever abuses there were in the Church that Jesus is nothing like that. Jesus never condemned homosexuality, though it was rampant in Rome (and has always been around 5% of humanity anyway). Jesus never encouraged beating Children, in fact quite the opposite. Jesus told us never to judge and to love our neighbor as ourselves and then gave an example of loving someone completely at odds with what we are (the Samaritan).

They're not dumb. They didn't leave the Church and Christ because of abuse, and they haven't left it for "science and reason" either. There are probably more scientists who are theists than there are atheists, and the greatest minds in history have been theists, and one of the greatest minds, Newton, was particularly radical to the point of occultism.

I'm not here to preach the word to the atheists. I hang out in their groups to strengthen my arguments so that I can support the faith of my brothers and sisters in Christ. And maybe, just maybe, raise a flag in a group where other Christians who have the courage to debate the SGA are present. They will see it, and join with me. Maybe they won't become Veridican, but they might join me in these end-times preparations we better start making now.

Thanks for inviting me to the group.

My, what a steaming pile of hateful ignorance you spew.

 

[Flame]

 

[Twilight Hue]

I'm pretty sure everyone who responded to this thread is an SGA secret agent.

You can call me Agent Smith.

 

[Revoltingest]

I understand what your saying to some extent. Every atheist i have ever debated with aventually eventually has ad homed me.

I haven't.
But then, I don't really care for debate.
It's so unproductive & combative compared to mere discussion.
And see how nice I am....
I corrected your spelling.
(Everyone loves that I do this.)

 

[Revoltingest]

I was invited to join a group that offers Christian support and tolerance to atheists. Here was my response:

-----

I was invited to this group for some reason. I've read the description and frankly I want to vomit in my mouth.

I've been dealing with atheists for 25 years online (Yes, ever since the newsgroup era). They are not looking to find answers. They want you dead. They are a manifestation of the end times. They are SGA (socialist globalist atheists).

The idea that someone has suffered abuse in the Church and therefore is an atheist is hogwash. I suffered hugely in the Church, and I'm a Veridican (which is heretical to the Church, but in fact an advanced radical Christianity).

No one is that dumb, okay? They all know that whatever abuses there were in the Church that Jesus is nothing like that. Jesus never condemned homosexuality, though it was rampant in Rome (and has always been around 5% of humanity anyway). Jesus never encouraged beating Children, in fact quite the opposite. Jesus told us never to judge and to love our neighbor as ourselves and then gave an example of loving someone completely at odds with what we are (the Samaritan).

They're not dumb. They didn't leave the Church and Christ because of abuse, and they haven't left it for "science and reason" either. There are probably more scientists who are theists than there are atheists, and the greatest minds in history have been theists, and one of the greatest minds, Newton, was particularly radical to the point of occultism.

I'm not here to preach the word to the atheists. I hang out in their groups to strengthen my arguments so that I can support the faith of my brothers and sisters in Christ. And maybe, just maybe, raise a flag in a group where other Christians who have the courage to debate the SGA are present. They will see it, and join with me. Maybe they won't become Veridican, but they might join me in these end-times preparations we better start making now.

Thanks for inviting me to the group.

Hey, if it's any kind of olive branch, I find many atheists
to be insufferable intolerant commie bags'o wind.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I'm an atheist. Always have been. I don't want you dead, nor do I even want you to shut up.

I would, however, be very interested to understand how you came to such strident, hateful views based primarily on nothing factual whatever. Even more, I think it would be very helpful to you, personally, to find that understanding.

 

[David T]

Oh, so all the atheists you know are looking for Christian conversion, and are not socialist and globalist? Nonsense. Not to mention, they're all in the Facebook groups cheering the death of the Christian killed by the natives on that ridiculous island.

Well now thats off the deep end. Medication and therapy can help with delusions.

 

[David T]

I'm an atheist. Always have been. I don't want you dead, nor do I even want you to shut up.

I would, however, be very interested to understand how you came to such strident, hateful views based primarily on nothing factual whatever. Even more, I think it would be very helpful to you, personally, to find that understanding.

Mental, has zero to do with religion actually.

 

[Jollybear]

I haven't.
But then, I don't really care for debate.
It's so unproductive & combative compared to mere discussion.
And see how nice I am....
I corrected your spelling.
(Everyone loves that I do this.)

True, you have never ad homed me. Thats very true. And i wont say you would IF we ever debated.

Im just saying, thus far, every debate ive had with atheists, so far they aventually ad homed me. Which....is strange to me. In anycase, it makes my own beliefs stronger. Any doubts i have prior to the debate, pretty much after i walk away with the doubts either greatly minimized or vanguished.

But, as to the reason for this ad homining, mayby i need to change my approuch, like you say, debating can be combative. Mayby thats the answer, is to discuss rather then debate.

Plus, sometimes i think debating is pointless, unless both parties involved can absolutely stick to the content, point by point.

 

[Revoltingest]

True, you have never ad homed me. Thats very true. And i wont say you would IF we ever debated.

I'll only deal with personal negativity when invited to do so.
(I loathe mean people.)

Im just saying, thus far, every debate ive had with atheists, so far they aventually ad homed me. Which....is strange to me. In anycase, it makes my own beliefs stronger. Any doubts i have prior to the debate, pretty much after i walk away with the doubts either greatly minimized or vanguished.

But, as to the reason for this ad homining, mayby i need to change my approuch, like you say, debating can be combative. Mayby thats the answer, is to discuss rather then debate.

A great many posters cannot disagree without becoming peeved, & then
attacking the person. Atheists, believers, & even staff are this way.
It pays to know when to disengage with some people.

Plus, sometimes i think debating is pointless, unless both parties involved can absolutely stick to the content, point by point.

It seldom happens.

 

[Earthling]

I've been online dishing it out with atheists since 1995 or 6 as well, and your description of the lot isn't entirely inaccurate in my experience, but, I find the atheists offline far less militant and mouthy. In fact they think the evolutionary atheists I find online are ridiculous.

 

[IsaiahX]

 

[Jollybear]

I'll only deal with personal negativity when invited to do so.
(I loathe mean people.)

A great many posters cannot disagree without becoming peeved, & then
attacking the person. Atheists, believers, & even staff are this way.
It pays to know when to disengage with some people.

It seldom happens.

Well, in my case, i CAN stick to the content. Ill admit, when attacked, ill retaliate and attack back or point out the ad hom. By pointing it out, that indirectly attacks them back. But, as for who does the attacking first. Not me. Because i TRULY know that doing this, no one learns more about the subject by wasting time attacking charectors.

It seldom happening, i wish the seldom was the ad homing going on.

If we was compare the rules of the forum to the law of God. We could quote romans

"For all have sinned and fallen short of the forum rules and are justified by grace through faith" lol

Mayby too its a good idea to find some commonality.

Like, i know me and you have a common view on libertarianism.

 

[Revoltingest]

Well, in my case, i CAN stick to the content. Ill admit, when attacked, ill retaliate and attack back or point out the ad hom. By pointing it out, that indirectly attacks them back. But, as for who does the attacking first. Not me. Because i TRULY know that doing this, no one learns more about the subject by wasting time attacking charectors.

It seldom happening, i wish the seldom was the ad homing going on.

If we was compare the rules of the forum to the law of God. We could quote romans

"For all have sinned and fallen short of the forum rules and are justified by grace through faith" lol

Alas, ad hominem attacks aren't against the rules.
Against the mission, ie, the intended spirit of this place, yes.
We'd benefit from our bad examples cleaning up their act.
And from some posters not actually advocating abuse of wrong (in their minds) doers.
That's about as far as I can go on that.