Kyle Rittenhouse found not guilty on all charges

[metis]

Live updates: Kyle Rittenhouse not guilty in Kenosha shooting

What does this portend for America's future?

Based on Wisconsin law, it appears likely to be the correct verdict.

As far as the future of this goes, sorry but my looking glass broke. However, even though he was exonerated, why would anyone subject themselves by doing the same or similar?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Excuse me; the AR15 has a magazine the M1 uses a clip.
Proof-read your writings,inaccuracies (especially when it comes to firearms) will cast you as a know-nothing.

Not that it matters.

With gun fetishists, if someone makes a valid point while slipping up a bit in firearm terminology, they'll point to the error as the reason to disregard what they say.

OTOH, if someone gets all their terminology right, the gun fetishist will find some other reason to disregard the valid point.

You're playing a game. Everyone can recognize this.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Excuse me; the AR15 has a magazine the M1 uses a clip.
Proof-read your writings,inaccuracies (especially when it comes to firearms) will cast you as a know-nothing.

Was it even an AR15 or was it a mock up that the media likes to pretend it's an actual AR15?

Just so folks who are not in the know understand, a real AR15 is identical to a M16 except it lacks automatic fire on the selector lever.

 

[Suave]

Excuse me; the AR15 has a magazine the M1 uses a clip.
Proof-read your writings,inaccuracies (especially when it comes to firearms) will cast you as a know-nothing.

Oops, sorry, my bad, thank you for your informative post regarding use of accurate firearm technology. Honestly, I currently don't own any semi-auto firearms, I did own a 9mm Smith and Wesson semi auto pistol that I exchanged for a .357 magnum revolver. After all, I don't want to be hypocritical about how I'd like private ownership of high capacity magazines to be effectively banned by having private owners of high capacity rifle magazines heavily taxed and registered in a national database registry.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Live updates: Kyle Rittenhouse not guilty in Kenosha shooting

What does this portend for America's future?

Perhaps people will learn that we need to enact some laws regarding demonstrations. I predicted that he was going to be found not guilty. The defense made a very good argument. Personally I do not think the he should have been there in the first place. But then I also thought that the rioters should have been stopped a long time ago.

To protect peaceful protest we need to clamp down a bit on rioting. Rioting harms the ability to protest peacefully. Most of the protesters were peaceful in almost all of the protests out there. The troubles arise when the police are too afraid to react when a protest turns violent. When protest turn to riots we have this sort of reaction against the violent rioters.

 

[Subduction Zone]

There was some thinking that Kyle would at least be found guilty of this until the judge dropped the charge.

When the judge decided that I was pretty sure that he was going to be found not guilty on all charges.

 

[Subduction Zone]

In many states he could have been charged with 'Brandishing'. Its one thing to have a gun. Its another thing to scare people with it.

The question would then arise if he brandished in an illegal manner. I am pretty sure that even states with brandishing laws allow it in cases of self defense. Most of the times that a gun is used in self defense it is not fired. It is merely brandished. Can you think of a law that makes it illegal to brandish in a case of self defense? That would almost require someone to shoot at someone at the very least. I would not think that would be a wise law.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The shot that killed Joseph Rosenbaum was in his back.

What does that detail change?

But it was all one quick action. He was shooting at Rosenbaum after he attacked him. The fours shots went off in less than half a second.

 

[Brickjectivity]

The question would then arise if he brandished in an illegal manner. I am pretty sure that even states with brandishing laws allow it in cases of self defense. Most of the times that a gun is used in self defense it is not fired. It is merely brandished. Can you think of a law that makes it illegal to brandish in a case of self defense? That would almost require someone to shoot at someone at the very least. I would not think that would be a wise law.

You couldn't make it illegal to defend yourself, but you can make it illegal to show your weapon out of its holster. In some cases you can require concealed carry.

 

[Nakosis]

Significant numbers of armed civilians were also on the streets. Police said that such groups had not been invited and were not helpful. Kenosha County Sheriff David Beth described them as "a militia... like a vigilante group." However, cellphone footage showed police thanking armed civilians and giving them bottles of water. Sheriff Beth characterized the officers as "very wrong to say that" to the militia members.
Kenosha unrest - Wikipedia
Looks like the local police were encouraging the support provided by the civilian militia on the day Kyle shot 3 people..

 

[Suave]

The shot that killed Joseph Rosenbaum was in his back.

What does that detail change?

Kyle Rittenhouse's rifle's magazine was loaded with 30 rounds, I'm guessing if his weapon didn't have such a high load capacity , Kyle might have been more selective about firing his weapon, he may have stopped shooting at Joseph Rosenbaum after the second shot, then Joseph Rosenbaum would likely have survived his altercation with Kyle Rittenhouse. People are now going to realize, high capacity rifle magazines enable mass shooters to kill; hence, private ownership of high capacity magazines should be effectively banned.

 

[Subduction Zone]

This is the wrong takeaway from this.

Every Civil rights movement in history related to the rights of black people in the US has been falsely represented by the US government and media as being a series of riots to present the protesters as illegitimate. They even presented Dr MLK Jr. as such, who took the nonviolence thing pretty seriously until the end of his life when the FBI tried to compel him to kill himself via blackmail and he was mysteriously assassinated less than a month later.

The takeaway from this is not locking down demonstrations, that plays right into what the politicians who want to suppress civil rights movements want.

I disagree. I have seen time and time again how they report when they turn violent. That makes the news much more than reporting on the peaceful part. The fact is that there were riots and they have a negative effect on the US election. Trump lost, but when it was looked into why the Blue wave that was supposed to occur with it did not occur was widely attributed to the various riots that occurred during BLM protests.

And why misrepresent my argument? I said nothing about locking down demonstrations. I was talking about locking down riots. Once a riot starts the demonstration is over.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You couldn't make it illegal to defend yourself, but you can make it illegal to show your weapon out of its holster. In some cases you can require concealed carry.

That is a possibility that I could go along with. I am not a fan of the "open carry" crowd at all. Most states have limitations on how one carries a pistol. They have no law on how one carries a rifle or shotgun.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Kyle Rittenhouse's rifle's magazine was loaded with 30 rounds, I'm guessing if his weapon didn't have such a high load capacity , Kyle might have been more selective about firing his weapon, he may have stopped shooting at Joseph Rosenbaum after the second shot, then Joseph Rosenbaum would likely have survived his altercation with Kyle Rittenhouse. People are now going to realize, high capacity rifle magazines enable mass shooters to kill; hence, private ownership of high capacity magazines should be effectively banned.

Another problem can be the high rate of speed that one can fire modern semi automatic weapons. Listen to the four shots that Rittenhouse made when he killed Rosenbaum. About a half a second, probably less from the first shot to the fourth. Limiting the rate of shooting and that too may help in cases such as this.

 

[Debater Slayer]

To many of us who live outside the U.S., American gun laws seem like a full-blown circus that disregards the value of human life. This whole debacle is a prime example of why.

 

[Vee]

Here is an earlier article for those of us who don't know who Kyle Rittenhouse is:
Kenosha Rittenhouse trial victims: These are the 3 men he shot - CNN

Rittenhouse is at some kind of protest carrying a great big automatic weapon, and some suicidal (literally not sarcastically) person throws something at him on camera, then starts chasing him. After being chased, Rittenhouse shoots the pursuer. 2 shots in front, one glancing along the side of his head and one in back.

The prosecution argued that Rittenhouse provoked the action by pointing the gun and could therefore not use the self defense argument. This is what the jury did not accept. They still applied self defense.

Also the pursuer was not some squeaky clean citizen but had a criminal history, and that may have helped uphold the self defense claim.

The shooting alarmed other protestors, two of whom then got shot as follows:

One person tried to grab the gun away from Rittenhouse while holding a skateboard in his other hand.

The third person shot either accidentally or purposely pointed a handgun at Rittenhouse and also got shot.

That's the basic story.

I didn't follow the story, but if I understood well, it was self defense right? I'm just asking out of curiosity.

 

[metis]

If guns make us safer as the NRA claims, then why is it that we have times more homicides than so many other westernized-industrialized countries? [rhetorical, because the answer is obvious].

 

[Rival]

I didn't follow the story, but if I understood well, it was self defense right? I'm just asking out of curiosity.

Yes.

 

[Brickjectivity]

That is a possibility that I could go along with. I am not a fan of the "open carry" crowd at all. Most states have limitations on how one carries a pistol. They have no law on how one carries a rifle or shotgun.

Open carry gives me the creeps. When a bunch of guys wear guns into a Taco bell its just scary. I'm eating at my table hoping nobody shoots me and wishing I didn't know they were armed. One time a guy wore his gun into a bank where I was doing business, and that annoyed me. Lots of things annoy me though.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

But it was all one quick action. He was shooting at Rosenbaum after he attacked him. The fours shots went off in less than half a second.

Not full auto or burst fire, though. Four successive pulls of the trigger.

Either four deliberate acts, or firing without sufficient care to be sure he was firing at what he wanted to hit.