Lack of belief in gods.

[leibowde84]

ever hear of Hubble?

an expansion implies a starting point

No it doesn't. We certainly don't know that tracing the expansion backwards to the "big bang" was actually the beginning of the universe. It could be a situation of expansion and contraction, one after the other, infinitely. Or, it could be one of the other countless theories out there for an infinite universe. You are behind on the times, buddy. Hubble and the big bang are old news.

No Big Bang? Quantum equation predicts universe has no beginning
"The universe may have existed forever, according to a new model that applies quantum correction terms to complement Einstein's theory of general relativity. The model may also account for dark matter and dark energy, resolving multiple problems at once."

Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2015-02-big-quantum-equation-universe.html#jCp

 

[Thief]

No it doesn't. We certainly don't know that tracing the expansion backwards to the "big bang" was actually the beginning of the universe. It could be a situation of expansion and contraction, one after the other, infinitely. Or, it could be one of the other countless theories out there for an infinite universe. You are behind on the times, buddy. Hubble and the big bang are old news.

No Big Bang? Quantum equation predicts universe has no beginning
"The universe may have existed forever, according to a new model that applies quantum correction terms to complement Einstein's theory of general relativity. The model may also account for dark matter and dark energy, resolving multiple problems at once."

Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2015-02-big-quantum-equation-universe.html#jCp

all of motion had a starting point

so much for quantum mechanics

 

[leibowde84]

all of motion had a starting point

so much for quantum mechanics

lol ... quantum mechanics does not demand that all motion has a starting point. And, considering that our understanding of quantum mechanics is severely limited, that is an absurd statement.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

yeah....not tangible proof

you gotta THINK about it

So it is proof, then? Please make up your mind.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

that was really poor

It uses the same "logic" as your argument.

 

[ratiocinator]

and denying to every post makes your view better?

I'm just pointing out that you do not understand the science you are trying to use and that your proposed solution is nothing but an undefined word.

all of motion had a starting point

so much for quantum mechanics

So much for your pretence at using science.

 

[Thief]

lol ... quantum mechanics does not demand that all motion has a starting point. And, considering that our understanding of quantum mechanics is severely limited, that is an absurd statement.

yeah well.....the small stuff doesn't explain the big stuff

bear that in mind
especially under your own admitting ....we are severely limited to understanding

to offer a rebuttal you don't understand is not a rebuttal

 

[Thief]

I'm just pointing out that you do not understand the science you are trying to use and that your proposed solution is nothing but an undefined word.


So much for your pretence at using science.

scored a rank of superior in a gov survey test at the school I attended
was thirteen at the time

I've gotten a lot better since then

besides....this thread is not about me.....proving myself to you

it's about your lack of belief

 

[ratiocinator]

scored a rank of superior in a gov survey test at the school I attended
was thirteen at the time

I've gotten a lot better since then

That doesn't change the fact that your posts demonstrate a lack of understanding about the big bang and (now) a rejection of quantum mechanics - one of the best tested scientific theories in history. If you are going to try to use science in your arguments - you need to get even better.

It also doesn't change the fact that your proposed 'spirit' lacks any sensible definition or any explanation as to how or why it might exist.

 

[Thief]

So it is proof, then? Please make up your mind.

I have made up my mind

 

[Willamena]

ALL motion

science would have your believe ALL of the universe came from one location
the regression of observed expansion strongly implies as much

But do you consider it true for EACH motion?

Is God there ("Spirit first") for each motion?

 

[Thief]

But do you consider it true for EACH motion?

Is God there ("Spirit first") for each motion?

I lean to the notion....the initial 'bang' was the source of motion
what we experience now is momentum in it's various forms

everything is moving.....ALL of it
in regression all of motion returns to the beginning

 

[leibowde84]

yeah well.....the small stuff doesn't explain the big stuff

bear that in mind
especially under your own admitting ....we are severely limited to understanding

to offer a rebuttal you don't understand is not a rebuttal

This makes no sense. Can you rephrase?

 

[Willamena]

I lean to the notion....the initial 'bang' was the source of motion
what we experience now is momentum in it's various forms

everything is moving.....ALL of it
in regression all of motion returns to the beginning

If God is there with a 'push' for each and every motion, then what need is there to place such great significance on an alleged pushed 'first motion'? Each motion is significant.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I have made up my mind

So which is it? Are you saying that there's proof for God or not?

 

[Thief]

If God is there with a 'push' for each and every motion, then what need is there to place such great significance on an alleged pushed 'first motion'? Each motion is significant.

the butterfly effect?
not buying that

I believe the initial thrust of creation is the source of all motion
what we experience as motion is the ebb and flow of the aftermath

 

[Thief]

So which is it? Are you saying that there's proof for God or not?

I'm saying.....you have to make a choice

I don't think it's that difficult

substance first?.....or Spirit
keep cause and effect in mind as you do so

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I'm saying.....you have to make a choice

No, this is what you're saying:

there will never be proof of God

And this is also what you're saying:

yeah....not tangible proof

you gotta THINK about it

But since you've contradicted yourself, I'd like to know which one you actually mean.

 

[Thief]

No, this is what you're saying:



And this is also what you're saying:


But since you've contradicted yourself, I'd like to know which one you actually mean.

you've been asking for tangible proof......

you may not have any

you have to think about it

 

[Willamena]

the butterfly effect?
not buying that

Um... no!

Why did you bring that up?

The butterfly effect is chaos. I was referencing its exact opposite: order through consciousness.

I believe the initial thrust of creation is the source of all motion
what we experience as motion is the ebb and flow of the aftermath

I don't know (yet) why you would bother believing in an "initial thrust" at all.