Language, the most lovely evidence of God.

[monta]

Mer subjektiva bevis....

Or mer sujektiva bovis as the case may be :biglaugh:

 

[PolyHedral]

If animals communicate at all --if we properly use the word "language" in reference to what they do --then they have metaphor. It's essential.

Metaphors can only happen if you have the ability to imagine events that haven't actually occurred, which I'm not sure any animal can do.

 

[Willamena]

Metaphors can only happen if you have the ability to imagine events that haven't actually occurred, which I'm not sure any animal can do.

Metaphor, at its most basic, is an image with a nonliteral meaning. The nonliteral meaning requires no more imagination than the literal. Take that "empty space," for instance --to imagine that its nothing could be interpreted as a literal interpretation (if you believe that that's all nothing is) or a nonliteral one (if you understand, for instance, that space is not empty, or that, in the Buddhist sense, emptiness has form). Its the nonliteral case that gives birth to metaphor. Understanding gives birth to both the literal and nonliteral cases.

 

[Meow Mix]

Empty space is not nothing.

"Nothing" in the sense that you're using the word is an impossible state of affairs since identity would still exist.

 

[Willamena]

"Nothing" in the sense that you're using the word is an impossible state of affairs since identity would still exist.

Nothing's impossible.

 

[yourhopeboundheart]

This is the power and evidence of a God who has introduced this, certainly evolution has no power to introduce this. Absolutely none! A metaphor is always a known metaphier operating on a less known metaphrand. Animals are nowhere near this complexity, because they have nowhere near the consciousness that humans hold. Metaphors increase enormously our powers of perception of the world around us and our understanding of it. It literally creates. Indeed language is an organ of perception and a definte proof of God, not just simply a means of communication.

i know that you take issue with the theory of evolution by natural selection, so that might be why you stick with this concept. but why is it that your 'evidences' (sometimes you call them 'proofs') for god are always centered on things that humans are capable of and other animals aren't. provided there is a god, wouldn't it be devoted to everything in it's creation? if language were a 'proof' for god, why has it been limited (as you say, which i don't agree) to humanity? wouldn't it be even greater evidence for god if all animals could use complex language, and therefore smash the idea that complex language arose from socially dependent animals alone?

i guess what i'm asking is, why is every one of god's 'evidences' supposedly unique to humans?

 

[mickiel]

i know that you take issue with the theory of evolution by natural selection, so that might be why you stick with this concept. but why is it that your 'evidences' (sometimes you call them 'proofs') for god are always centered on things that humans are capable of and other animals aren't. provided there is a god, wouldn't it be devoted to everything in it's creation? if language were a 'proof' for god, why has it been limited (as you say, which i don't agree) to humanity? wouldn't it be even greater evidence for god if all animals could use complex language, and therefore smash the idea that complex language arose from socially dependent animals alone?
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No, I think God did it correctly, there is no need for speech or consciousness in animals. For what, I like them as they are.

i guess what i'm asking is, why is every one of god's 'evidences' supposedly unique to humans?

Because humans are unique, and unique proof of God ourselves.

Peace.

 

[yourhopeboundheart]

Because humans are unique, and unique proof of God ourselves.

Peace.

other animals aren't unique?

 

[mickiel]

Language is a lovely thing, for us to be able to communicate is a heavenly gift for sure. It is one of the most loving evidences of a God that I know of.

Peace.

 

[MW0082]

I myself love language. Words and their definition. Communication and the defining of it. Its very powerful and meaningful, it came from God, a very powerful and meaningful individual. It has metaphor. The most fascinating property of language is metaphors. Animals cannot make metaphors, it is by metaphors that language grows. A metaphor is a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable, in order to suggest a resemblance. As in " She is the flower of my life." Well she is not a literal flower, but the meaning is understandble.

This is the power and evidence of a God who has introduced this, certainly evolution has no power to introduce this. Absolutely none! A metaphor is always a known metaphier operating on a less known metaphrand. Animals are nowhere near this complexity, because they have nowhere near the consciousness that humans hold. Metaphors increase enormously our powers of perception of the world around us and our understanding of it. It literally creates. Indeed language is an organ of perception and a definte proof of God, not just simply a means of communication.

Its just lovely, and I want to go into this most lovely proof of God. And I will be using some perceptive language to describe it.

Peace.

Your grammar and spelling is awful. Which says a lot considering you're using a computer......

 

[mickiel]

Your grammar and spelling is awful. Which says a lot considering you're using a computer......

Well I understand your need to persue me and attack with insults, I mean you must do as you desire, but I hold no intrest in attacking back. I see no need to, I am simply continuing on with my views.

When people attack they often start using insulting language and sarcasm. Language was not meat for that, but it has perverted to that.

Language should be a lovely thing.

Peace.

 

[MW0082]

Well I understand your need to persue me and attack with insults, I mean you must do as you desire, but I hold no intrest in attacking back. I see no need to, I am simply continuing on with my views.

When people attack they often start using insulting language and sarcasm. Language was not meat for that, but it has perverted to that.

Language should be a lovely thing.

Peace.

Language was created to vocally express our wants and desires, contrary to what you may "feel"..... A natural evolution as anyone can see....

 

[mickiel]

Language was created to vocally express our wants and desires, contrary to what you may "feel"..... A natural evolution as anyone can see....

Well language was created, I agree with that much, I believe God taught Adam and Eve how to speak a language. I am not sure what language they spoke, but it was the first.

Peace.

 

[yourhopeboundheart]

other animals aren't unique?

mick, you avoided my question. i dont like it when you do that. so please, tell me why it is you dont think other animals are unique.

 

[MW0082]

Well language was created, I agree with that much, I believe God taught Adam and Eve how to speak a language. I am not sure what language they spoke, but it was the first.

Peace.

Really?? I am sure SanScipt was the first. Furthermore if God taught Adam and Eve to speak, then why was Jesus illiterate..?

 

[mickiel]

mick, you avoided my question. i dont like it when you do that. so please, tell me why it is you dont think other animals are unique.

Animals are unique in my view.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

Really?? I am sure SanScipt was the first. Furthermore if God taught Adam and Eve to speak, then why was Jesus illiterate..?

I disagree that Jesus was illiterate, when he was 12 he was teaching-- leaders in the synagouge. And he was a skilled carpenter, and a gifted public speaker, and he read the scriptures and memorized them.

He was not illiterate, that is nonsense.

Peace.

 

[MW0082]

I disagree that Jesus was illiterate, when he was 12 he was teaching-- leaders in the synagouge. And he was a skilled carpenter, and a gifted public speaker, and he read the scriptures and memorized them.

He was not illiterate, that is nonsense.

Peace.

Not according to biblical scholars. Feel free to look at some of my other threads on the educated jesus.

If you feel so strong that jesus knew language, how do you explain no actual recordings of his teachings...?

 

[mickiel]

Not according to biblical scholars. Feel free to look at some of my other threads on the educated jesus.

If you feel so strong that jesus knew language, how do you explain no actual recordings of his teachings...?

I hold no intrest in your threads, and the bible is slap full of Jesus teachings.

Peace.

 

[MW0082]

I hold no intrest in your threads, and the bible is slap full of Jesus teachings.

Peace.

Why because my threads have some value to them..??

The bible was also written by mortal men after Jesuses death. That is hardly afirst hand account of Jesus teachings..........

You simply have nothing better to do than to bait people inot your unfounded biased claims...

Good day sir, and good luck you need it.