LDS letter on same-sex marriage

[McBell]

So? doesn't change the fact that you're still in a homosexual relationship.

So what.
Doesn't change the fact that you have not presented anything about homosexuality that shows it to be inferior to heterosexuality.
Nor have you presented anything against homosexuality that does not also apply to heterosexuality.

 

[Apex]

I am opposed to the LDS Church because it promotes and sanctions immorality. In particular, it specializes in brain-washing little children to believe lies like this.

If this is true then please explain my existence. I grew up in the Church.

 

[Watchmen]

So, as I have now asked twice, for the Mormons in this thread, do any of you know any gay families at all? That includes you, idea, Mr. Evade and Dissemble. Do you know any kids with gay parents?

Yes, I know gay families. And, I'm not opposed to gay marriage and will not be voting for the new definition this November in California.

Now how about you? Are you ready to stop stereotyping Mormons?

 

[Autodidact]

The adoptions by gay people is a recently conferred right, so we are yet to find this out, so far it doesn’t look good for them, but at present we can tell either way.

sorry, don't understand your post. Can you try again? Thanks.

 

[Autodidact]

So? doesn't change the fact that you're still in a homosexual relationship.

And your point? Are you trying to say there's something wrong with that?

 

[Autodidact]

you know what this sounds like to me?

"I know you are! but what am I?"

3rd grade antics dont work in the real world babe.

It's an attempt, usually vain, to try to get you to see how illogical your position is by applying it to you so you can see it from the other side.

 

[Autodidact]

If this is true then please explain my existence. I grew up in the Church.

Exactly. Since you were a small child, you've been brainwashed to believe things that have no basis in evidence. IMO this is immoral. Yet, unlike you, I defend and promote Mormons right to do this, because I don't believe in imposing my morality on you.

 

[Autodidact]

Yes, I know gay families. And, I'm not opposed to gay marriage and will not be voting for the new definition this November in California.

Excellent. btw, these two facts may be related.

Now how about you? Are you ready to stop stereotyping Mormons?

Hmmm, I'll think about it. May depend on how many of them submit posts arguing that my family is immoral and should be illegal. So far we're at one.

 

[Magic Man]

Yes, I know gay families. And, I'm not opposed to gay marriage and will not be voting for the new definition this November in California.

Now how about you? Are you ready to stop stereotyping Mormons?

I'm sure she'd be ready as soon as all of the other Mormons on this thread and others are ready to stop stereotyping homosexuals.

 

[Autodidact]

Yes, DisneyMan, why aren't you taking issue with all your fellow Mormons who have called me immoral, degenerate, and so forth?

 

[UnTheist]

Exactly. Since you were a small child, you've been brainwashed to believe things that have no basis in evidence. IMO this is immoral. Yet, unlike you, I defend and promote Mormons right to do this, because I don't believe in imposing my morality on you.

If nobody was imposing their morality on anyone, wouldn't that be Anarchy?

 

[Autodidact]

If nobody was imposing their morality on anyone, wouldn't that be Anarchy?

Not at all. IMO there needs to be society, government and law. All of that should be based on what we share and need to share to function, which is not to be violent toward each other, not to steal from each other, and stuff like that. It doesn't need to intrude into people's private religious--or sexual--lives. e.g. Some people think eating pork is a huge sin. O.K., cool. Don't eat pork. You don't have to make it illegal. There is a huge distinction between that and a prohibition against bopping other people over the head.

In the same way, if you think but sex is a huge sin or disgusting or whatever, don't have it. You don't have to make it illegal. If you think same-sex marriage is wrong, don't marry someone of the same sex. You don't have to make me conform to your morality.

In fact, I would go so far as to say that one of the things that should be illegal is an attempt to force other people to conform to your morality in areas that should be private, such as faith, political views, opinions, and sexuality.

 

[Magic Man]

If nobody was imposing their morality on anyone, wouldn't that be Anarchy?

As Autodidact got into, the only morality that should be imposed on society should be the question of harm. Does this or that action harm anyone detectably and unnecessarily? If it does, then it's wrong. If it doesn't, it isn't wrong. So, what people do in their private lives, as long as it doesn't harm anyone, should be off-limits for public morality imposition.

 

[Father Heathen]

So? doesn't change the fact that you're still in a homosexual relationship.

Which doesn't mean anything.

 

[Magic Man]

Which doesn't mean anything.

Yuh huh!

 

[Father Heathen]

If nobody was imposing their morality on anyone, wouldn't that be Anarchy?

Well there are basic common sense ethics, such as do not kill, do not steal, etc. (i.e. actions that actually impact others) that are necessary to keep a society in tact and protect our to rights. They're based on actual real world cause and effect/action and reaction, and not worthless superstitions and voodoo.

 

[Father Heathen]

Now how about you? Are you ready to stop stereotyping Mormons?

Respect and tolerance has to bee a two way street. People attack and slander homosexuals, then squirt tears when they get a little taste of it back.

 

[Father Heathen]

Yuh huh!

I'd rather see children raised by a homosexual couple than by a Mormon couple.

 

[Father Heathen]

3rd grade antics dont work in the real world babe.

Funny, if anyone has been resorting to such tactics, it would be you and your lot. On top of that you all have been acting like a wind-up automatons. Brainwashing can do that to a kid. Which is why Mormonism is immoral.

 

[Apex]

Exactly. Since you were a small child, you've been brainwashed to believe things that have no basis in evidence. IMO this is immoral. Yet, unlike you, I defend and promote Mormons right to do this, because I don't believe in imposing my morality on you.

Hmmm, I'll think about it. May depend on how many of them submit posts arguing that my family is immoral and should be illegal. So far we're at one.

Anyone want to help her take her foot out of her mouth before I have to do it?