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LDS only: Must I quit my job?

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9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
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As the story goes, Hughes hired Mormons, because he felt he could trust them. He had many business dealings.

Why would the Church have a reaction?
That particular group of Mormons involved in the business of gambling and alcohol sales was in the public eye to a significant degree (and I suspect even moreso in the Mormon community).

Some of the opinions here have been that Mormons shouldn't take part in businesses that are associated with drinking, gambling, pornography, etc. It strikes me that if the Church would ever have been inclined to give an authoritative pronouncement on the issue, the attention directed towards Hughes' "Mormon Mafia" would have provided an opprotune occasion to do so.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
I, for one, am darned grateful to be personally far removed from gambling, drinking and porn. All three bring more destruction to individuals than any possible good. They are akin to spiritual cancer. I am also grateful to belong to a church that has the backbone to teach me this. It has saved me and my family from a lot of grief.

You make them seem so much more fun and exciting than they really are.
 

SoyLeche

meh...
This does raise one other question, though. FFH says that if Lion King were to join the LDS Church, he'd have to quit his job in the bar. I wonder if it's dawned on J. Willard Marriott's bishop and stake president that he not only owns a string of very successful hotels, but the casinos attached to them. Maybe FFH needs to rethink his answer.
I think I've read somewhere that Marriot owns his own wine label too. I could be wrong though.
 
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SoyLeche

meh...
To give my $0.02 - I would not personally feel comfortable working in a bar and being LDS. I would assume that if you were to convert you would find that you want to change careers, but that's just a guess - I can't speak for you. If you feel all right about it - more power to you. You will likely have to deal with people who think that it is wrong - you might even have to deal with someone in a leadership position over you that thinks that it is wrong, but I don't see it being all that much of an issue.
 

FFH

Veteran Member
President Harold B. Lee called me to be a member of a bishopric. He said, “From now on, you must not only avoid evil, but also the appearance of evil.” He did not interpret that counsel. That was left to my conscience.
Great quote !!

We will be judged according to the knowledge of what we know to be true.

I'm not going to let a church leader judge me too easily, I've fallen into that trap before, rather, I'm goiing to judge myself much more harshly than any church leader, just to be on the safe side.

I need as much reproof as anyone. I'm no stranger to this world and I've experienced the evil affects of this world to a great degree, which has nearly devastated my life.
 
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FFH

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Not true. Take another look at D&C 89.

Note: It is likely that the "mild drinks" in verse 17 referred to beer - FWIW.
Not the way beer is made today, with such an unnaturally high amount of alcohol in it, that's why the Doctrine and Covenants warns against the "evils and designs" of our time.

Beer and wine manufacturers boost alcohol levels to higher than normal amounts.

The Lord okays wine of our own make, since wine made normally, would only have a small amount of natural alcohol levels as would drinks made with grain. These are "mild" drinks, not like the strong beer and wine found in any liquor store. These are harmful and dangerous not only to us and our bodies but to others, if we become intoxicated.

NDE's have spoken of seeing evil spirits enter into human bodies at the time a person becomes intoxicated.

Literally the body becomes possessed by a devil at the time one becomes intoxicated.

Beer and wine made today are a definite fulfillment of the "evils and designs" prophecy spoken of by the Lord in section 89 of the Doctrine and Covenants, as are many other evil food designs we see in these last days, white bread, margarine, pop, etc. are all unnatural and unhealthy man made "evil" food "designs" that harm the body.
 
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Apex

Somewhere Around Nothing
Can we make a sticky stating the views express by FFH and madhatter are not to be taken seriously? You guys are making me sick saying people are evil just for drinking.
 

FFH

Veteran Member
Can we make a sticky stating the views express by FFH and madhatter are not to be taken seriously? You guys are making me sick saying people are evil just for drinking.
Alcohol numbs the spirit.
 

madhatter85

Transhumanist
Alcohol numbs the spirit.

amen, why do you think that Bars are the "meat markets" they have always been, so much immoral behavior in bars and clubs.

why do you think people want to get "drunk" first before going and having sex with strangers? because it lowers your resistance to temptations.
 

Starfish

Please no sarcasm
Drinking is not evil for those who have not been taught as we have. It is evil for LDS to drink because they know better. They know they are breaking a commandment.
 

tomspug

Absorbant
That would be a personal decision.

This brings to mind a great little book called Mormons and the Mafia, or something close to that. Through an unusual series of events a top member of the Mafia was exposed to the gospel, gained a testimony and joined the Church. It never occurred to him that his "profession" might be a problem, till his bishop told him one day, that he would have to choose between his job and the Lord. (He'd never told his bishop what he did.) Leaving the mafia would likely cost him his life. With God's help and a lot of faith he managed to leave it, but in the process lost everything--his wife left him, and he lost all his possessions and wealth. He managed to find a new profession and rebuild, and is very happy today.

I've also read accounts of people employed by other religions who became LDS and of course, lost their jobs. It's sacrifice. But with faith, the Lord never abandons those who follow him. They always found another way to earn a living.

Sacrificing everything to follow God has been going on since the beginning of time. One definition of sacrifice is giving up something good for something ultimately better.
Did you just compare working in a bar with working in the mafia? That must be some strong tequila!
 

Runlikethewind

Monk in Training
Now I don't want to sound too critical and I am not trying to start an argument here but I have to say that I do see a conflict here. Now I am not a memeber of the LDS Church. As far as I know the LDS Church prohibits the consumption of Alcohol. If that is the case, then I would think that a memeber would have a moral obligation not to be involved in the distribution of such products that its members reject. We have a similar issue among Catholics who work in hospitols and pharmacies which require them to provide certain reproductive health services such as birth control and abortions which the Church rejects. Often these Catholics will quit their jobs or fight for the ability to not be forced to preform or be involved in the distribution of these products and services. And in that light I would think that being in a church that rejected alcohol one would have a moral obligation to not work in a bar.
 
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